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Number 516  Sept 1st, 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. We welcome
Jim Drinkwalter a retired Air Canada  Customer Sales and Service agent from
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. Like to know.
Alan Rust, Web Administrator, AC Family Network, http://www.acfamily.net
sends this information -
- Following the close of the 60-day sale period of Canadian Regional Airlines,
Air Canada has been advised by Donaldson, Lufkin and Jenrette, the authorized selling
agent, that no qualified bids have been received. Air Canada has thus fulfilled its
obligations in accordance with the undertakings it negotiated with the Competition Bureau
in December 1999 with respect to the divestiture of Canadian Regional Airlines.
Canadian Regional Airlines remains a subsidiary of Canadian Airlines International,
and therefore an indirect wholly-owned subsidiary of Air Canada, until it is fully integrated
into Air Canada's regional operations.
Air Canada's regional airlines, AirBC, Air Ontario and Air Nova, and
Canadian Regional Airlines, will continue to operate separately, while offering the same
benefits to all customers of Air Canada subsidiaries during Air Canada regionals'
consolidation, until a common operating certificate is obtained.
Canadian Regionals' crew base, maintenance operations and senior
management positions will remain in Calgary. As such, Calgary will become the
largest base within the new Air Canada regional airline.


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. Re our recent notice about the Avro Arrow exhibit at the West Parry Sound Museum.
Their website is http://www.zeuter.com/~wpschin/


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. Alan MacLeod sends this
Subject: Lockheed 10A UPDATE
Tango Charlie Charlie is in Calgary in the Shell Aero Center hangar.
During the week of Aug. 6 through the 13th, while in Winnipeg, the Lockheed underwent
a one hundred hour routine inspection and had some minor maintenance snags cleared.
On Aug. 14th and 15th, Capts. Ken  Patry and Harvey Reid flew the Lockheed from
Winnipeg to Vancouver. They were accompanied by Cam Lawrence, who is responsible
for the  Air Bus engineering in Winnipeg. Cam also has the responsibility to ensure men
and material being available, from the maintenance side in Winnipeg, to ensure TCC is
always up and running. They flew the aircraft through the rockies via Banff, Kicking Horse
Pass, Golden, then the Rogers Pass over Revelstoke, on to Kelowna  and  Vancouver.


DREAMS TAKE FLIGHT flying was on Aug. 17th, 18th, 19th, and 20th. Ken and Harvey
flew the first two days and then Ted Dodds and myself relieved them after they had been
on the go for six days. Richard Lyew, AME from Winnipeg volunteered his days off  and
was on hand for the routine operation. Support from the Line Maintenance Mgr. in
Vancouver, Bob Brown, was also volunteered should we have needed help.
Air BC mechanics also offered their service and facilities had we needed any.
All was routine and none was required, but their offer  much appreciated.


DREAMS flying in Vancouver had a 100% revenue load factor over the four days!
There were people standing by waiting for "no shows", which happened only twice.
They had a very successful year.
Congratulations to Lori Hayes-Fergusson and her DREAMS staff.


On Monday the 21st, Capt. Dodds, Richard Lyew, AME and myself flew TCC to Calgary
via Kelowna, Penticton , Castelgar, Nelson, Cranbrook out through the Crows Nest Pass
and on to Calgary.  Arriving in Calgary we parked the aircraft on gate 14 for a while to let
the employees have a visit, and drop Capt. Dodds off to make a connection back to
Toronto. Calgary staff love to see the aircraft on the gate there and even show it parked
on  the TV monitor in the building. Staff from other airlines also had a look and visited.


Calgary DREAMS flying was on the 24th, 25th, 26th, and 27th,  Capt. Gerry Norberg
and I flew the aircraft. Geof McCrea was the AME. All went according to plan with the
exception of a slight tire imbalance which developed. The tires are on their second year
now and have undergone quite a few cycles. Normal tire wear developed an out of
balance which  we noticed during take off and landing.   By judicially adding some
small weights Geof had them back in balance and running smoothly. New tires will be
installed when TCC gets back to Winnipeg in Sept. The weather was perfect for the four
days with the exception of a thunderstorm on Sat. afternoon.  A delay was  called,
without any complaints!,  the aircraft put in the hangar and  a " FURAT" was called for
thirty minutes! We waited. Rain hail and lightning took over the airport operations for
about one hour. A further FURAT was called for another 30 minutes.
We then  finished the last trip of the day---one our late.
Delay charged to "WX".


DREAMS' committee had all seats filled for the four days. Good for Lucile Parkinson
and her gang.   Two or three seats were allocated for press and TV  coverage.
On Sunday afternoon, a Canadian Military CL65 pulled up to the ramp at Shell Aero
Center. On board was the Minister of Labor, Claudette Bradshaw. She was very
interested in the DREAMS TAKE FLIGHT program. Unfortunately they left immediately
for Yellowknife or we would have gotten her donation and taken her for a flight too.


TCC is undergoing a wash job and having her belly varsol sprayed and cleaned.
We had millions of bugs in the air around Calgary and each time we landed the
windshield was literally red with the flys/bugs. The leading edges were covered with
the remains and she needs a wash job real bad. Shell are doing that this week to be
ready for the weekend.  The Shell staff there are fantastic. As a matter of fact
everywhere we go they are great and are standing by to donate their fuel and hangar
space. Tip of the hat to Shell Corporation of Canada.


Next DREAMS flying will be in Sept. on the 8th, 9th and 10th. Flying is done from the
City Center airport from the aviation museum.
Contact Tom Hutchison at 780-915-2211 if you wish to donate to the DREAMS TAKE
FLIGHT  program and go for a flight in TCC.
Alan MacLeod
http://www.acfamily.net/tcc
(Check the web site for some pictures and information on TCC - eds)


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. From the eMailNews issued by Duane Frerichs -
WWII airmen recovered in Iceland
The bodies of four World War II airmen from Britain's air force, trapped in an Icelandic
glacier for nearly 60 years, will at last be buried at a cemetery in Reykjavik.
A Royal Air Force search team was working Wednesday to retrieve the bodies for a
funeral at the Fossvogur Commonwealth war cemetery in the capital Reykajvik.
The bodies, revealed last year by melting ice, are those of Flying Officer Arthur Round,
a New Zealander, Flight Sgt. Reginald Hopkins of Southampton, England;
Pilot Officer Henry Talbot of Bedford, England, and Flight Sgt. Keith Garret
of Worksop, England. Pilot Round, who was 26, and navigator Hopkins, 21,
had flown their Fairey Battle bomber to pick up Talbot, 24, and Garret, 22, who had
been receiving treatment on a hospital ship docked at the town of Akureyri.
The plane carrying the four men took off from the Akureyri airfield in fog on the
morning of May 26, 1941, and crashed into a mountainside about 30 miles away.


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. Tom Grant sends this information -
Canadian International Air Show soars on the web
Making the Canadian International Air Show truly
universal this year, torontostartv.com will webcast the spectacle live from
the Canadian National Exhibition in Toronto on Saturday, September 2, 2000 at 1 pm.
In an effort to globalize its reach, the Canadian International Air Show
and the Canadian National Exhibition are very pleased to partner with Toronto
Star Television. "This adds a wonderful new dimension to our show," says Bob
MacWilliam, President, Canadian International Air Show. "As an international
show, we strive to demonstrate aircraft from around the world. Now our
audience can be truly international as well."
"Torontostartv.com is thrilled to partner with the 2000 Canadian
International Air Show to bring this exciting event, for the first time, to a
virtual audience," says Don Shafer, Vice President and General Manager of
Toronto Star Television.
Utilizing the latest in live video streaming technology, air show
enthusiasts from around the world will be able to enjoy the air show live, in
real-time, over the Internet on the following sites: www.cias.org;
www.theex.com; www.torontostartv.com and www.toronto.com in Windows Media
format in four bandwidths.


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. From the In-box of Chief pilot Vesta -
Vintage Wings - WWI De Havilland DH-4 plane
An antique airplane that once made history is coming back to the Bay Area  in the
hopes of finding a home. The plane is a World War I vintage De Havilland DH-4, a
plane exactly like the ones that flew from Crissy Field at the Presidio of San Francisco
in the days when daring fliers were heroes and the Bay Area was on the cutting edge
of  aviation technology. The first airplane ever to land on a ship took off from San Mateo
County in 1911 and landed on a cruiser in San Francisco Bay.


First Space Tourist Passes Physical
Russian doctors have given Santa Monica businessman Dennis Tito a clean bill of
health for space travel, bringing him closer to becoming the first space tourist. MirCorp,
a private company arranging for Tito to fly to the Mir space station in mid-2001, said in
a statement that Tito will now start training at Russias Star City space facility. Tito has
agreed to pay approximately $20 million to blast off with two Russian cosmonauts and
fly for brief a visit to Mir.


AIR CANADA WILL KEEP ITS SPOTS AT HEATHROW AIRPORT
The British government has given its blessing to the merger of Air
Canada and Canadian Airlines. That means Air Canada will keep its
coveted landing slots at London's Heathrow airport.


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. From our chief pilot - Vesta
If you have been reading 'the NetLetter", and would like to show  your appreciation
would you please  send me a postcard  to the following address.
Vesta Stevenson
401-1035 Southgate St.,
Victoria, B.C.  V8V 2Z1
Canada


Postcards that have something to do with where you live are an especially good choice,
as I like to see all the interesting places that 'the NetLetter" is being read.
Travel postcards (from anywhere and especially 'made in Canada') or unusual postcards are a favorite of mine. I even would like to receive post cards from Victoria. Thanks


I wish to thank the following NetLetter readers for sending me more postcards to add to
my collection.
Lawrence Davis,  Ralph Trites ,  Roy Boyce, Jack Morath, Lois North,  Ed Storrie
Ann Blakeley, Penny Cronin, Mathew  Laubitz and Flora MacKenzie


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. Found on the internet.
Flights get longer as planes get faster
Airlines have increased the scheduled times of their flights to allow for growing delays
and congestion. Airlines have changed the length of flights not only to cope with last-
minute delays but also to improve their punctuality figures.
Many flights, particularly short ones, are taking longer than they did 30 years ago.
Such flights have been getting longer, even though modern aircraft are faster.


Baggage Woes Haunt Sydney Airport.
The fifth breakdown this month in Sydney Airport's baggage system delayed more
than 6,000 international passengers Sunday and renewed doubts about the airport's
Olympic readiness. At least 27 flights were delayed for up to 80 minutes, and airline
workers said at least 200 bags were left behind or wrongly tagged because of the
breakdown in the new system. In May, two baggage handlers narrowly avoided being
hit by falling luggage. Last month, 2,000 pieces of luggage were left behind when the
system crashed for 20 minutes delaying 6,000 passengers.


Vietnam airline bans 'smelly sauce'
Vietnam's national airline has banned the country's famed fish sauce, nuoc mam,
because it is too smelly, according to reports. Nuoc mam may be a key ingredient in
Vietnamese cuisine, but it is getting right up some passengers' noses.
Reports say Vietnam Airlines ordered the crackdown on passengers transporting the
sauce after a bottle broke on one of their planes. The incident apparently caused
furious protests from foreign tourists unaccustomed to the pungent aroma.


DOT Settles Case Against Disabled Passenger on Air Canada
The U.S. Department of Transportations Aviation Enforcement Office reached a
settlement with Air Canada over the carriers failure to transport a passenger due to her disability. Air Canada, according to information received by the department, removed a mobility-impaired passenger who held a valid ticket issued by United Airlines, Air Canada's code-share partner, from a flight from Montreal to Washington on Feb. 15
for reasons related to her disability. The passenger was removed from the flight in
violation of the carriers own policies because a flight attendant unaware of the nature
of the passengers disabilities, mistakenly believed that she required an attendant to
travel.


Angry Passengers Hijack Plane
Angry passengers hijacked a Cyprus Airways plane at Athens airport in a bid to stop
the Paphos-bound flight being diverted, an airline spokesman said. The passengers
surrounded the plane on the tarmac to stop it taking off and clashed with police and
Greek airport officials, delaying the scheduled midnight flight until 5 a.m.
The Paphos-bound passengers became angry when they were told a technical problem,
which had already delayed the flight two hours meant the plane would cancel a
scheduled stop at Paphos and fly only to Larnaca, its final destination.
Cyprus Airways told the passengers it would arrange bus transport to Paphos, a resort
two hours drive from Larnaca. Airline spokesman Tassos Angelis said an irate group
from the 240 passengers surrounded the plane blocked the entrance, insulted the Greek
engineer and clashed with police summoned by civil aviation officials.



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. Mayday from Bill Whitehouse -
Subject: Seattle??
Hi Everyone;  Bill Whitehouse here from YYZ.  Been retired 7 years now and enjoying
every minute.  Nice to keep in touch with the guys that worked with me.
We are going to be going to a wedding in Seattle in a few weeks.
Wondered if anyone knew anything about Seattle.  Good places to stay, reasonable etc.
Anyone that is out there from AC - love to hear from you.  Bill    This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. Terry's travel tips.
Dargal offers the following -
5 Oct ~ 15 Nights ~ ms Veendam ~ Panama Canal
San Diego  to San Juan  Inside us$ 780 pp dbl   Outside us$880 pp dbl.
7 Oct ~ 16 Nights ~ ms Volendam ~ Panama Canal
San Francisco to Ft. Lauderdale Inside us$820 pp dbl    Outside us$920 pp dbl.
9 & 23 Sept. ~ 7 Nights ~ ms Zaandam ~ Eastern Caribbean
Ft. Lauderdale  round trip Inside us$410 pp dbl   Outside us $510 pp dbl
14 & 21 Oct, 4 & 11 Nov ~ 7 Nights ~ ms Westerdam ~ Eastern Caribbean
Ft. Lauderdale round trip  Inside us$310 pp dbl    Outside us$410 pp dbl.
16 & 30 Sept. ~ 7 Nights ~ ms Zaandam ~ Western Caribbean
Ft. Lauderdale round trip Inside us$410 pp dbl   Outside us$510 pp dbl.
29 Oct ~ 7 Nights ~ ms Maasdam ~ Western Caribbean
Ft. Lauderdale round trip Inside us$410 pp dbl   Outside us$510 pp dbl.
4 & 11 Nov ~ 7 Nights ~ ms Ryndam ~ Western Caribbean
Ft. Lauderdale round trip  Inside us$410 pp dbl   Outside us$510 pp dbl.
20 & 27 Oct, 3, 10, 17 & 24 Nov, 1, 8 & 15 Dec ~ 7 Nights ~ ms Veendam ~ Southern Caribbean
San Juan round trip Inside us$360 pp dbl   Outside us$460 pp dbl.
23 Oct & 12 Nov ~ 10 Nights ~ ms Volendam ~ Southern Caribbean - Wayfarer
14 Oct & 23 Nov ~ 10 Nights ~ ms Zaandam ~ Southern Caribbean - Wayfarer
Ft. Lauderdale round trip  Inside us$630 pp dbl   Outside us$730 pp dbl.
2 Nov ~ 10 Nights ~ ms Volendam ~ Southern Caribbean - Seafarer
24 Oct & 13 Nov ~ 10 Nights ~ ms Zaandam ~ Southern Caribbean - Seafarer
Ft. Lauderdale round trip  Inside us$650 pp dbl   Outside us$750 pp dbl
Sept 18th - 11 nights - NCL 'Norwegian Wind'  Vancouver - Honolulu.
from us$64.00 pp dbl.
Sept 27th - 12 nights - 'Carnival Jubilee'  Vancouver - Honolulu
from us$58.00 pp dbl.
Sept 29th - 10 nights - NCL 'Norwegian Wind'  from us$74.00 pp dbl.
Honolulu round trip
Exotic cruises on RCCL's Legend of the seas' , all from us$55.00 pp dbl
Jan 13th - 16 nights - Singapore to Sydney
Feb 26th - 14 nights - Sydney - Singapore.
Mar 14th - 14 nights - Singapore round trip.
Mar 28th - 14 nights - Singapore to Bombay.
Apr 11th - 14 nights - Bombay - Mombasa.
Apr 15th - 14 nights - Mombasa - Athens.
Mar 18th - 15 nights - Norwegian Dream - Santiago - Miami via Panama Canal
from us$64.00 pp dbl.
All above plus port charges/gov't fees -
Call Dargal at 1-800-690-3223 for more details.


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. Smilie.
Late and oily!
A Scandinavian Airlines flight from London, England to Oslo was held up for six
hours after the cabin staff detected a smell of oil which they feared indicated a
fuel leak. Passengers were led off the plane and a search instituted,  but it
revealed nothing. Eventually, the source of the smell was traced to a passenger
with a new oilskin coat. The captain ordered the offending jacket to be kept in the
cargo hold.


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. DID YOU KNOW?
That you can read or retrieve back issues of  "theNetLetter" ?
Just visit our web site at:
http://www.acfamily.net/netletter
and click on the "Archives" button.
This area is only open to "the NetLetter"  subscribers and you will
need the following password to enter -
User Name: netletter  Password: vesta


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Number 515 Aug 28th, 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. We welcome -
Vaughn Madill  Baggage Services Supervisor living in Tottenham, Ont.
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Reg Woodcock lives in Deseronto, Ont email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Gabe Andrei pilot living in Chute-A-Blondeau, Ont email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Fred Spriggs email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Fred is an Interior Furnishings Engineering Manager, lives in Kanata, Ont.
Email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. for Syd C. Jacobs
living in Brampton Ontario works at Flt Sked YYZ AC
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. is the email for Roger Cuillerir
Montreal QC Sales  for Canadian.


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. Nice to know.
Schedule highlights include three new routes:
Vancouver-New York (JFK);
Calgary-Honolulu, with on-line connections to Sydney, Australia;
Toronto-Manchester (NH).
Effective September 6, Royal Airlines will become a partner in the Aeroplan
program. Many of you may be wondering why we’ve allowed Royal Airlines to
participate in the Aeroplan program—the answer is simple. One of the conditions
placed on us in December 1999 by the Competition Bureau was that we would
allow eligible Canadian air carriers to participate in our frequent flyer program.
Mileage accrual and redemption only applies to Royal Airlines’ scheduled flights
within Canada, between Canada-Florida, and Canada-Hawaii.
Charter flights and flights between Canada-Europe are excluded from this agreement.


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.  Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome
An item of aviation interest from Don Demeza - A "must see" for aviation buffs are the
museum hangars and air shows at Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome.  A few years ago
Al Blackwood and I flew down in Al's 172 - the airport is at Kingston, NY and the
Old Aerodrome is about a 20 minute drive on the other side of the Hudson River.
I'm looking forward to another visit and if the weather is okay June and I hope to go
for the September 9th event.  This is a special week-end for radio controlled aircraft in
that the mornings feature displays and competition between World War 1 model
aircraft and then in the afternoon you'll see their regular air show.
Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome is about a six hour drive from Belleville or Montreal and a
couple of hours longer from Toronto.  The runway is more like a golf fairway,
including a dog leg so the action is very close.
If you're interested, have a look at the following website:  <http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/>http://www.oldrhinebeck.org/
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. News from the districts -
Subject: Vancouver Island Pionairs Picnic
On August 15th,a perfect, sunny day,the annual Vancouver Island Pionairs
picnic was held at Mt. Douglas park. 31 Pionairs complete with their
picnic lunches spent 4 hours engaged in skill testing games and a high
degree of socializing. The event was closed off with a balloon toss
organized by Barb and Saville Hambleton.The event had a high level of
participation with some contestants getting quite wet. Leo Goulet
relieved of his pension responsibilities found a leaking balloon and
managed to add to the water level of several of the Pionairs! Thanks to
all of the Pionairs who attended and a special thanks to those members
who ran the several games.
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. Len Kruller thought this would interest us -
Subject: Synthetic Vision
The following is an excerpt and highlight of an article which was published in the
Independent News Weekly for the SFO Peninsula on August 16, 2000.
This article is in regard of a new airline navigational aid called "Synthetic Vision" which
I found very interesting and thought that you may want to share it with the membership.
RESEARCHERS CLAIM "SYNTHETIC VISION" WILL REVOLUTIONIZE WORLDWIDE
AIR TRAVEL.
A revolutionary new aviation technology could dramatically reduce airline delays and
increase capacity and safety by allowing pilots to fly in stormy weather as if the skies were
cloudless.
The technology, dubbed "Synthetic Vision" is targeted at commercial airlines but is already
being tested in small, private aircraft and cargo planes.
The system works by combining air-traffic information from a variety of surveillance
sources then an onboard computer takes that information and with a virtual image on a
cockpit television monitor, recreates the outside world including nearby planes and shows
pilots their exact flight path.   Essentially, synthetic vision means pilots may never have to
look out the window to fly or land a plane.     "It certainly would solve some of the delays
such as operational problems with bad weather landings" said Russ Parrish, chief of
research at NASA Langley in Hampton, VA.    Parrish and researchers at Stanford University -
working independently from one another - say synthetic vision could double the capacity
of every airport in the world.    Pilots would also have heightened awareness of the outside
world at all times.
Parrish claims synthetic vision could be implemented around the world within five years
but aviation experts say it could take up to 20 years because obtaining Federal Aviation Administration approval is such an extensive and often exhaustive process.
Dave Witchey, a United Airlines pilot and aviation consultant is excited with synthetic vision
which he calls the third big breakthrough in aviation after radio in the 30s and radar in the 50s.
According to a source at the FAA who did not want to be identified, one critical component
of the synthetic vision program is a surveillance mechanism called Automatic Dependent Surveillance - Broadcast (ADS-B) which has already been tested on 150 airplanes in the
Alaska- based "Capstone Project"    Cargo airlines are leading the way in testing the components needed to make the new system a reality.
Comment: The SFO airport, which is located on the SFO Peninsula, could benefit greatly
from this new navigational concept due to an insufficient runway separation (750 Ft.) which causes havoc and delays with inclement weather conditions.
PS For those interested in the entire article, I will be able to do an e-mail attachment of the news print.     Best regards, Len Kruller          This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. Tom Martin sends this memory -
Reading about the ex Air Lanka L1011-500s in NL 513 brought back a flood of memories
for me and perhaps for a number of NL subscribers.  The Air Lanka Technical Services
contract (Mtce people thought it was a Mtce. contract but we P&S and Flt Ops people knew
better) was the toughest and most demanding contract in my experience.
Even tougher than the Aero Peru contract where Larry Bernard, Don Wiley and I had to fly
to Miami once a month to try to placate them over delays.  They were flying 3 different dash
numbered DC8s on lease from Air Jamaica and we were trying to maintain them in
MIA - Ugh!. But Air Lanka with our two L1011s - on lease and
based in Colombo meant a long spares pipeline from Dorval.  The number of times we had
to lease a Hercules to fly an engine from YUL to CMB sure ruined my budget as did
unexpectedly having to send John McKee to live in Colombo for the duration of the contract.
We helped Air Lanka with their -500 introduction by doing their spares provisioning and
buying in YUL and saved them a lot of money.  Unfortunately the long distance from their operation was the straw that broke the contract, despite the fact that a team of us, headed originally by Slim Munson, then Jean Duville who left AC to become president of Nordair,and finally Bill Ramage had to fly to CMB regularly to try to convince them we could do a
good job. I believe they lost a -500 likely to a terrorist bomb on the ramp at CMB.
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. From the In-box of Chief pilot Vesta -
TECHNOLOGY DEVELOPED FOR SWISSAIR INVESTIGATION MAY BE USED IN
COURTS
RCMP officers in Nova Scotia hope new technology developed during the investigation
of the 1998 Swissair crash will soon be accepted in the courts.


FUEL-AIR EXPLOSION CAUSED TWA CRASH - INVESTIGATOR
The U.S. National Transportation Safety Board opened a two-day hearing into the
1996 crash of TWA 800 on Tuesday. 230 people died when the Boeing 747 crashed
soon after takeoff from New York City.


PUBLIC HAS NO PROBLEM COMPLAINING ABOUT AIR TRAVEL
The complaints are pouring in. By fax. By mail. Over the Internet. More
than 350 written grievances since July, when the government announced it
was setting up a special office for air travel complaints.



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. Terry's travel tips.
ANTIGUA Hawksbill Beach Resort (Semi All-Inclusive) $95 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights.
Regularly $189!
CANCUN Villas Tacul $60 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights. Regularly $119!
ISLA MARGARITA, VENEZUELA Perla Palace (All-Inclusive)
$63 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights. Regularly $125!
LISBON, PORTUGAL Hotel Avenida  $83 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights. Regularly $165!
LONDON Sheraton Park Lane Hotel $288 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights. Regularly $575!
SANTA FE Villas de Santa Fe $69 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights. Regularly $185!
ST. CROIX Club St. Croix $98 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights. Regularly $195!
And for this week's featured cruise...
Costa Cruise Line COSTA ATLANTICA
Eastern Caribbean 7-night cruise
Departs from Fort Lauderdale
Dec. 3 Inside Cabin  $499 Outside Cabin  $599 3rd/4th Passenger  $249
Dec. 17 Inside Cabin  $449 Outside Cabin  $549 3rd/4th Passenger  $149
Alaska
Royal Caribbean aboard the Vision of the Seas 6-night Alaska, Vancouver round trip
Sept. 24 Inside $799  Outside $799  Deluxe $1349
Bahamas
Carnival Cruise Line aboard the Ecstasy 3-night Bahamas, Miami round trip
Sept. 8, 15, 22 from $269
Sept. 29 from $259
Carnival Cruises aboard the Fantasy 3-night, Port Canaveral round trip
Aug. 31 Inside $249
Royal Caribbean aboard the Majesty of the Seas 4-night Bahamas, Miami round trip
Oct. 2 - 30 Inside $249
Oct. 9 - 30 Outside $299
Christmas Cruises
Norwegian Cruise Line aboard the Norway 7-night Eastern Caribbean, Miami round trip
Dec. 23 Inside $699 Outside $799 Upper/Lower $599
Norwegian Cruise Line aboard the Norwegian Dream14-night Chilean Fjords
Dec. 23 Inside $1199  Outside $1399
Norwegian Cruise Line aboard the Norwegian Majesty 7-night Southern Caribbean,
San Juan round trip
Dec. 24 Inside $699 Outside $899
Rates in US$.
Call  800-209-0424  for more information


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Number  514 Aug 24th., 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. We welcome -
Hube Start retired from Air Canada email    This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Dona J. Brydges, Customers Sales and Service Agent, Toronto Airport.
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Liette Lacroix-Kenniff  Manager, Passenger Environment  lives in Ile des Soeurs, QC
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Gail E.Todd, nee Dagenais former Flight Attendant and a Past National President of
CMWA. I flew out of Montreal from Jan. 1966 to May 1971.
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. Need to know.
The question is - Canadian do not accept our stop-over coupons.
Industry Travel advises -
Canadian agents are not familiar with our
stopover coupons.  Until October 1st at which time all AC and CP
staff will be given full details of the new AC/CP integrated travel
policy, anyone requiring more than one trip pass ticket to complete
their journey should request at the time of registration with ECC
that their ticket be issued for pick up at the airport.  The only
difference then is that the service charge and taxes will be
collected at the time of ticket issuance.


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. News from the districts.
John Rogers omitted to give the date for this event mentioned in nr 512,
here it is in full -
From the Montreal Pionairs - from John Rodger
YOW - YUL Pionairs Get together.  It takes place on Sept. 20th 2000.
Come and join you old friends and former co -workers for a visit to Upper Canada Village
and lunch at the Upper Canada Golf course which buffet stile in a large tent. If you don't
want to visit the village you can play golf and also join us for lunch.
Prices as follows;  A - From Montreal by bus / lunch /village visit = $45.50
B - Lunch / village  it                                     = $27.50
C - Lunch only                                             = $16.00
D - Golf and lunch golf cart                           = $45.00
" Note" bus departs from Fairview Pte Claire La Baie @ 08:30 and returns @ 18:00
Lunch will be at 1200 and for the golfers you can arrange your own starting times by
calling 14 days in advance and also pay your green fees at the club when you arrive
(613) 543-2003 or e mail This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. but it is important that you advise
us  and pay in advance for lunch.       All above prices are tax and service in.
For more information please contact John Rodger   tel: (514)696 2964
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. Found on the internet.
*** Air France To Ban Smoking
Paris' smoke-filled cafes have resisted an 8-year-old anti-smoking law, but Air France
is determined to clear the air. The state-run carrier announced Friday that starting in
November, smoking will no longer be allowed on any of its flights. Air France said it
will offer nicotine substitutes for die-hard passengers and post a doctor specializing
in smoking disorders who can be consulted for a fee at its main Paris terminal.


RELIVE THE BATTLE OF BRITAIN DAY-BY-DAY: 60 years ago this summer the
Royal Air Force stood alone against the superior numbers of Germany's
Luftwaffe in one of history's greatest air battles -- the Battle of Britain.
To commemorate the 60th anniversary of the Battle of Britain (July
10-October 31, 1940), the Royal Air Force has constructed a Web site for
military history buffs.  The site offers the complete Fighter Command
Operational Diaries, published in full for the first time and placed online
day-by-day over the actual period of the battle. Additional content includes
overviews of all the major aircraft involved, and information on commanders,
units and stations.
<http://avweb.com/n/?34a> includes a link    to the Battle of Britain Web site.


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. Reed Park sends us this information, after reading about the Avro Arrow in nr 513 -
If any of your readers are interested, I have been researching the Arrow
ever since 1957. I have a 75 page catalogue that lists as many magazine
articles, books, videos, drawings, photos, models etc that I have been able
to find. I offer this catalogue in Microsoft Word format to anyone interested.
It is a great source of "where to find what" on the Arrow.
It is available to download in zipped form from the Arrow Alliance web site at
http://www.arrow-alliance.com
or send me an e-mail and I will send it as an unzipped file.
Best regards  Reed   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Amateur Radio VE1NU WW II, # 19 SET user I.C.Q. # 4138282
ARROW Research  (Avro CF-105)


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. Our chief pilot Vesta sends these -
*** EgyptAir Pilot Family to Sue U.S. Media Over Claims


Relatives of a co-pilot of the EgyptAir plane that crashed off the U.S.
coast last October are suing U.S. media over reports backing the theory that he
brought the plane down deliberately, their lawyer said on Tuesday.
Relief co-pilot Gamil al-Batouti was among 217 people killed when EgyptAir Flight 990,
heading for Cairo from New York plunged into the Atlantic Ocean.
There were no survivors. Batouti's nephew Walid al-Batouti told Reuters the claim
against USA Today would be for at least $30 million. Slander cases had already been
filed against Britain's Sunday Times and U.S. Newsweek magazine, he added.


*** Concorde grounding leaves supersonic travelers with no way to turn
The grounding of the Concorde left a hole at the top end of the travel market, reducing
the rich and famous to the same subsonic pace as the rest of humanity.
The decision by British and French authorities to suspend certification of the
supersonic plane leaves executives, celebrities and the merely wealthy with no
alternative for cutting the time of a trans-Atlantic flight. Opera singer Placido Domingo
said he has taken the Concorde many times and "always appreciated the fact that it
got me to my destination in a miraculously short time and safely."
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. Jess Rougeau recently toured Scandinavia, and sends this report -


We (4 gals) flew to Copenhagen on June 14th and the rest of our group
joined us from then on to the 17th when the Tour started.  We were 21
Air Canada Pionairs (3 of which were Canadian Airlines)  and 17 from
Japan, Hong Kong, Britain, U.SA., New York, New Jersey, Malaysia.  It
was really a good group and we had alot of fun for the 12 days.
Copenhagen was very interesting, Tivoli Gardens, the street "Stroget",
the architecture,  the schooners,  the Little Mermaid, the Palace.
Next drove to Odense where Hans Christian Anderson lived and visitied
the museum.  On to Aalborg, Denmark for the night.  Next day took a
ferry from Fredrikshavn to Gothenberg Sweden (2 hours).  Short stay
there but beautiful city.  On to Norway - can't say enough.  Incredible
country, fjiords, turbulent rivers, too many waterfalls to count -- just
beautiful.  At Vermork (Telemark area) visitied the Hydro Plant which is
now a museum. This was the heavy water plant that was needed to make the
atomic bomb and the area was under German occupation. You probably saw
the movie "Heros of Telemark" or "Man called Intrepid".  Next onto
Bergen and City Tour - I would take up too much of your Netletter
describing this city.  Beautiful except it rains 320 days a year.  Next
stop was at  a Hotel, now, but was the "Lorelli" Nazi occupation WWII -
there is still a bunker there - what a beautiful mountain area now.
Then off on a 3 hour cruise of the Sognefjiord to Laerdal where we
stopped for the night. Next day narrow roads, high cliffs and fast
running rivers.  Incredible scenery.  The side of the road was enormous
display of wild lupins - all colors.  Next stop Karlstad and then on to
Stockholm - Visited Gripsholm Castle - lots of deer in fields, farms,
cows, horses & sheep.  Walked around old city.  2nd last night in
Stockholm - 3 were leaving us there so had a great dinner together.
Stockholm has l.8 million residents, underground subways so great change
from the open country. Last day drive back to Copenhagen and pack to
head home.  I think it was a very great tour and everyone seemed to
enjoy it.  We 4 gals certainly did and looking forward to our next
adventure.
Jess


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. Terry's travel tips.
Dargal has these deals -
Here are some incredible rates to some exciting destinations!
3 Oct ~ Sun Princess ~ 7 Nights ~ Mexican Riviera
Los Angeles, At Sea, Cabo San Lucas, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta, Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa,
Acapulco.  Inside $434CAD - approx $299USD - includes Port Charges
26 Sept ~ 12 Nights ~ Ocean Princess ~ Trans-Canal and
9 Oct ~ 12 Nights ~ Dawn Princess ~ Trans-Canal
Acapulco, At Sea, Puntarenas/Costa Rica, At Sea, Transit Panama Canal,
Cartagena/Colombia, Aruba, At SEa, Barbados, Dominica, St. Thomas/USVI, San Juan
Inside $869CAD - approx $599USD - includes Port Charges
3 & 10 Sept ~ 7 Nights ~ Pacific Princess ~ Bermuda
New York, At Sea, St. George's, Hamilton, Royal Naval Dockyard, At Sea, New York
Inside $579CAD - approx $399USD - includes Port Charges
Rates are quoted in $CAD - US$ rates are approximate. Rates are per person,
based on double occupancy and subject to availability and eligibility.
Applies to New Bookings Only. Port Charges are included, Govt Taxes are additional.
For more information on these and other specials - contact us at:
DARGAL Interline 1-800-690-3223


Interlining Plus has these deals -
LAND TOURS - BEST buys to Europe!
Independent Land Tours!
*London Long Weekend   3 night from $370 CAD
*Rome Weekend   4 night from $340 CAD
*Real Italy   9 nights from $975 CAD
WE'VE GOT MORE.. CALL FOR MUCH MORE DESTINATIONS & AMAZING PRICES!
1-800-665-3100


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. Smilie.


We were on a training flight to practice touch and go landings at a
particularly windy airport but the student was having a hard time.
While on a crosswind leg, the student kept fighting for control
of the plane's direction.  Finally, the exasperated instructor asked,
"Where's the crab, where's the crab?"
The frustrated student answered, "Sounds like he is right next to
me."


The flight attendant approached a gentleman who was protesting rather
loudly. "I want to complain about this airline," he grumbled. "Every time I fly, I get
the same seat. I can't see the inflight movie, and there are no window blinds, so I
can't sleep."
"Aw, Captain," the flight attendant replied, "just shut up and land the plane."



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Number 513 Aug 20th, 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. Margaret Cantwell sends us these thoughts -
" With all the complaining and criticism of Air Canada  due to the merger etc. and keeping
in mind there are very likely very legitimate complaints, I feel a little praise goes a long way.
This week I had occasion to register my son-in-law and grand-daughter with a Family Affair
pass to Edmonton. The help and information I received from the Call centre was excellent
and the agent was most helpful. Arriving at Victoria Airport (Air BC Regional) we were met
with politeness and no end of help and consideration.  I think we all need to promote the
good side of our New Airline and hang in there until Mr. Milton gets everything in line as he
promises.  Thank you.  (Mrs.) Margaret A. Cantwell , Victoria B.C."


And from Bill Norberg we get this -
In view of the difficult times both Air Canada and Canadian have been through this past while
I thought I should pass on a few comments.
I have had the opportunity these past few months to travel on Canadian as well as Canadian Regional Airlines and also deal with Canadian Reservations. I would like to say how well I
have been treated in all of my contacts...I doubt whether it could have been any better.
My thanks to all the Canadian staff. They are going to be fine assets to our great airline.
Take care and be well.  Bill Norberg


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. John Scott sends us his bio -
Joined AC Jan 31/55 as F/O in training in YUL. On completion of initial training went
to YWG as co-pilot on DC-3. Then co-pilot on North Star and Viscount. Promoted to
Viscount Capt Sept 27/65. DC-9 '70 moved to YVR as Viscount Capt March '72.
Big cut-back and Viscounts gone, not enough seniority to remain a Capt so became
DC-8 F/O June '73. To get back into left seat moved to YUL in July '74 and in Sept
went to Seattle on AC's first Boeing 727 Captains course at the Boeing factory!!
June'79 moved to YYZ. Jan '82 after 7 years on the 727 - a wonderful pilots a/c,
I moved on to the L-l011, my all time favorite. Flew the Lockheed for 8 years and in
April '90 got checked out on the B-747 which I flew until my retirement in Feb'91.
Officially 36 years, 1 month 1 day with 22,870 hours and 51 minutes flying time.
Never "worked" a day in all that time and shared the cockpit (and the flying!!) with some
pretty good guys, and a couple of pretty good gals - see now we have a lot of them -
about time .All in all it was a blast and I thank all who made it so.
My best to you all.


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. Found on the internet.
HONG KONG-NEW YORK FLIGHT MAKES DETOUR TO ONTARIO:
United Airlines' problems aren't restricted just to weather and labor issues.
A United 747 carrying 320 passengers from Hong Kong to New York had to land in
North Bay, Ontario, after the pilot reported he was having hydraulic problems.
After a safe landing and while taxiing off the runway, the plane went totally dead --
no battery power, no APU, no nothing.  Another United plane sent from Chicago to
rescue the stranded paxs also had mechanical troubles and had to turn back.
Finally a third United plane made it to North Bay on Sunday morning to carry the
weary travelers to New York.


WHAT A COUNTRY!
That's probably what Italian Vincezzo Maglione thought when he stepped off Alitalia
Flight 610 at John F. Kennedy International Airport, N.Y., recently and was showered
with attention and gifts. Alas, we don't treat all our guests this well.
It turns out Maglione was being honored as the one-billionth airline passenger to file
through the terminals at JFK.
JFK now joins three other airports in the one-billion-paxs club: Atlanta Hartsfield,
Chicago O'Hare and London Heathrow.


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. For the Avro Arrow enthusiasts -
See the exhibit that pays tribute to Canada's most famous jet - on until Sept 10th.
Where? At the West Parry Sound District Museum.
Pilots can take in the fly-in August 27th at the Georgian Bay Airport to see special
events at the museum. Shuttle service from the airport and a BBQ later.
Call 1-888-624-9005 for more details.


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. Our chief pilot - Vesta found this -
*** The Mental State of Pilots - Are You in Safe Hands?


Since the crash of EgyptAir Flight 990, there has been increasing
debate about whether and how pilots should undergo psychological
tests. Although the actions of Flight 990 copilot Gamil El Batouty
may never be clearly understood and EgyptAir disputes assertions he
crashed the plane on purpose last year, killing all 217 people aboard
the allegations raise fears about whether pilots may be suffering
anything from depression to anxiety, or even a death wish. But are the
fears founded? There are, in fact, very few instances in which a pilot
or crew member's deliberate actions are known to have brought down an
airplane.


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. From the RAPCAN eNewsMail issed by Duane Frerichs -
Fellowship, refreshments and nourishment was provided at the Dickens Pub
Milton, ON in Thursday, Aug. 17th. Attending were  Gary Anderson, Bruce
Beresford, Norm Bigg, Paul Borosok, Jack Buykes, Bob Connell, Don Corker,
Mike Crosby, Neil Dowsley, Ross Egles, Burke Fisher,  Don Fisher, Duane
Frerichs, John Galagher, Joe Gulyes, Jack Haycock, Moe Labine, Ray Labine,
Harold Langlois, Bob Last, Bob Muldoon, Don Patry, Gerry Spracklin, Stu
Thomson, Harold Twitchell, Mike Vasil, Don Wiley, Lin Wolfe, & Bob Yorke.


REMINDER:  Orangeville Happy Hour: Retired Pilots get together at the
"Flight Deck Pub",  located one block south of Broadway, in the center of
Orangeville, ON. Thursday Aug. 24th. at 1630 hrs


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. From the YYZNEWS issued by Brian Dunn -


Air Transat have purchased two L-1011-500s from SriLankan, the first (MSN1235)
has already been delivered and the second (MSN1236) is due in Sept/00.
(These were NOT originally owned by AC - eds)
British Airways grounded their Concorde operations on August 15th after advice
from the UK Civil Aviation Authority and the Air Accidents Investigation Bureau.
The British and French governments have since suspended the Certificate of
Airworthiness for the Concorde pending modifications and further testing.
Both Air France and British Airways have said that they would like to be able to
resume Concorde operations, but costs of modifications will have to be determined first.


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. Terry's travel tips.
Visiting Kelowna?
One of the Pionairs runs a B & B, why not try it -
email Ken Starnes      This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  for more info.


Food for thought for the 'con' visiting Chicago with no place to sleep!


*** Stranded travelers turn to cots at O'Hare
It's certainly not the intended destination, but more and more people are spending the
night at Chicago's O'Hare Airport. Chicago's Aviation Department says nearly
13-thousand stranded travelers have taken advantage of the airport's offer of free cots
this year. That's an increase of three-thousand over the same time last year.
O'Hare's aviation commissioner blames bad weather as the primary cause for the
increase in stranded people. The airport is planning to add more cots to prepare for
the possibility of more sleepers.


From the YYZNEWS issued by Brian Dunn -


If you are travelling through Vancouver airport after September 11th watch out
for major construction going on in the older "domestic" portion of the terminal.
It will be done in phases through to June 2001 and will revamp the domestic check-in
areas currently being used by Canadian Airlines and Air Canada.
By the time all the work is completed it will mirror the International Terminal building
with new skylights, exterior glass wall and overhang canopy, CUTE-style check-in
counters (CUTE=Common Use Terminal Equipment), baggage conveyors,
improved flight information display systems, and improved finishes and floorings.


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. Smilies.
This was sent to us by Bernie McCormack -
1. Every takeoff is optional.  Every landing is mandatory.
2. If you push the stick forward, the houses get bigger. If you pull
the stick back, they get smaller.  That is, unless you keep pulling
the stick all the way back, then they get bigger again.
3. Flying isn't dangerous.  Crashing is what's dangerous.
4. It's always better to be down here wishing you were up
there than  up there wishing you were down here.
5. The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire.
6. The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane
used to keep  the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the
pilot start sweating.
7. When in doubt, hold on to your altitude.  No one has ever collided with the sky.
8. A 'good' landing is one from which you can walk away.
A 'great'landing is one after which they can use the plane again.
9. Learn from the mistakes of others.  You won't live long enough to
make all of them yourself.
10. You know you've landed with the wheels up if it takes full power to  taxi to the ramp.
11. The probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival.
Large angle of arrival, small probability of survival and vice versa.
12. Never let an aircraft take you somewhere your brain didn't get to five minutes earlier.
13. Stay out of clouds.  The silver lining everyone keeps talking about
might be another airplane going in the opposite direction.  Reliable
sources also report that mountains have been known to hide out in clouds.
14. Always try to keep the number of landings you make equal the number
of take offs you've made.
15. There are three simple rules for making a smooth landing.
Unfortunately, no one knows what they are.
16. You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of  experience.The trick is to
fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck.
17. Helicopters can't fly; they're just so ugly the earth repels them.
18. If all you can see out of the window is ground that's going round
and round, and all you can hear is commotion coming from the passenger
compartment, things are not at all as they should be.
19. In the ongoing battle between objects made of aluminum going  hundreds of miles
per hour and the ground going zero miles per hour, the ground has yet to lose.
20. Good judgment comes from experience.Unfortunately, the  experience usually
comes from bad judgment.


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