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Number 525 Oct 11th, 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. We welcome
John and Joyce Dozois  email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
John  joined TCA in 1949 and retired from Air Canada in 1983.
Last position held was Airport Manager Dorval.


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. Need to know.
Employee Travel policy in effect October 22.
To coincide with RESIII migration, the Employee Travel policy will come into
effect October 22. Please review the document sent to your home so you’re
ready to travel come October 22. New trip pass tickets for personal,
parent/partner, and business travel will be available at most ticketing locations
around October 16, for use October 22.


The Employee Call Centre (ECC) will accept parent/partner travel requests under the 1999-2000 allotment until 11:00 pm CT October 16.
In accordance with their commitment to process parent/partner tickets within seven days, ECC agents will accept requests for parent/partner tickets until 11:00 pm CT, October 16. New parent/partner trip pass tickets (T423) can be used for travel October 22. Note: Air Canada partner tickets issued on 014 revenue ticket stock before October 16 will be accepted until January 31, 2001.


New trip pass tickets in effect around October 16.
Barring unforeseen delivery problems, Air Canada, Canadian Airlines, Canadian Regional Airlines, and the Regional Carriers’ ticketing locations should have the
new personal (T421), parent/partner (T423), business (T425), and crew movement
(T405) tickets on hand by October 16.
We urge you to read the appropriate instructions prior to completing the new passes.


Air Canada will purchase 12 A321 and two A319 aircraft.
Today, as part of our on going growth and fleet renewal strategy, Air Canada
confirmed the purchase of 12 160-seat A321 and two more 112-seat A319 aircraft. Aircraft delivery will take place between October 2001-December 2002, for
immediate deployment in Domestic and Transborder markets.
This acquisition will allow us to start our fleet renewal program to replace older
generation aircraft such as the DC-9 and Boeing 737. Introduction of the A321 to
our fleet builds on the many benefits derived from commonality of A320 family
aircraft types.


It’s all in the voice—Speech Recognition system up and running.
If you’re an active or retired self-ticketing Air Canada employee eligible for personal travel privileges, you now have access to an exciting new Speech Recognition system. The interactive voice-enabled system will let you register for personal travel on Air Canada and its Regional Carriers’ flights, modify existing registrations, and check
flight loads and schedules. Later this month it will include flights operated by
Canadian Airlines and Canadian Regional Airlines. A mailing with all the details—including your Personal Identification Number (PIN)—is now on its way
to your home address. Eligible employees at the Air Canada Regional Carriers,
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. Nice to know!
Air Canada Makes History with Installation of In-Flight E-mail Service.
Air Canada completed the installation and certification of Tenzing's on board e-mail
and web server recently on aircraft 607. The system will be beta-tested (trial run) for
a month followed by a six-month customer trial. It will allow customers to send and
receive e-mails through a telephone connection to their laptops. Tenzing was
impressed with the professionalism and dedication of Air Canada employees working
on the project


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. I goofed!!!
In the piece about the TV program of the flight from YYZ  to FRA, I had Jim Guild listed
as both Captain and First Officer.
Now I am unable to recollect the name of the First Officer. BUT I notice Jim Guild was
on the inaugural flight from Toronto to Amsterdam last July 3rd as per article on
page 2 of Horizons this month.


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. Bill Norberg has sent us another interesting story -
Subject: Airline memories of Pierre Elliott Trudeau
The happenings of the past number of days have brought back many memories of our
departed Prime Minister. No doubt many of our employees both active and retired can call
upon incidents or occasions when his presence or influence had an impact on the destiny of
Air Canada. I know I have had a number myself and the events of the past few days have
refreshed them in my mind.
As we all know our President Mr. G.R.MacGregor retired in May 1968 after some 20 years at
the helm. The question of his replacement was of great interest to many individuals both
within and outside the airline. It was common knowledge that his preferred choice as
replacement might well have been Herb Seagrim. But, as was the case before
privatization, selection of a new President of Air Canada was in no small way a political matter.
Another event was to take place that same  year. The Honorable Lester B. Pearson, the then
Prime Minister had announced his intention to step down and the race was on to select his
replacement. It was obvious that no selection of a new President for Air Canada would be
made until his successor was chosen.
The political plum was just too valuable to be dispensed lightly.
There was a vacuum and the then President of Canadian National Railways, Mr. Norman MacMillan QC, who was also a member of the Board of Directors of Air Canada,  served as
Acting President.
At the same time as all this was going on Air Canada had just gone through the Thompson
Commission Hearings about the closing of the Winnipeg Maintenance base which had a
great deal of political significance at all levels of Government.
The then Minister of Transport was the Hon. Paul Hellyer who was also very interested in
becoming the next Prime Minister of Canada along with a number of other hopefuls.
We had two races going on concurrently:-
1. Who would be the next Prime Minister of Canada?
2. Who would be the next President of Air Canada?
The memories of Expo 67 in Montreal and General DeGaulle's famous statement
"Vive Le Quebec Libre!" from the City Hall building in Montreal had inflamed the bi-lingual
question.
This too was to have an implication on who would be the next President of Air Canada.
I was Director of the Winnipeg Maintenance base at the time and was heavily involved in
resolving that political problem. I was contacted by Headquarters in Montreal to arrange a
meeting for the purpose of meeting with the Minister of Transport to discuss matters
relevant to the Base issue.
I set up the meeting and a number of Air Canada top people were in attendance in addition
to myself.-
Herb Seagrim who would have liked to be President of Air Canada.
R.H.McIsaac a Board member from Winnipeg who apparently also would have liked to be
President of Air Canada.
The Minister of Transport who was actively campaigning to become the next Prime
Minister, arrived  along with his deputy Minister and the meeting was to start.
Before the meeting got underway the Minister made a statement:-
"If you think Air Canada is going to get in the way of my political career,you have another
thought coming.  Now lets get on with the meeting".
As history records, Paul Hellyer didn't get the nomination to head up the Liberal party and
become the next Prime Minister...Pierre Elliott Trudea did.
Neither Herb Seagrin nor R.H.McIssac became President of Air Canada.
Pierre Trudeau in order to satisfy the bilingual issue selected Yves Pratte as Chairman
of the Board and the Deputy Minister, who was in the meeting along with Paul Hellyer,
became President of Air Canada...Mr. John Baldwin.
We all know  the chain of events that followed that important selection.
My wife and I were on a flight from Kingston Jamaica to Montreal . The flight was loaded
but for some reason it was not departing on schedule. After about 10 minutes or so a
helicopter landed just a short distance away from the aircraft.  A tanned Pierre Trudeau
jumped out of the helicopter and bounded up the stairs into the aircraft.
It departed immediately.
He quietly set about reading some papers and kept very much to himself. A group of
people were in the First Class cabin who had apparently won a flight in some contest.
Once they realized Mr. Trudeau was on board they set about trying to speak to him and
eventually wanted him to pose for a group picture with the family. They weren't very subtle
about it but Mr. Trudeau was most gracious and consented to their request. It was a typical
example of his ability to deal with people in a most understanding way.
We were very impressed with his funeral service today and in particular the eulogy by his
son Justin. One of the finest we have ever heard.
Maybe some others have memories of  Pierre Trudeau they might wish to share.
Take care and be well.
Sincerely  Bill Norberg    <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>


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. Found on the internet.
..AND ASIA BUYS IN ON EXTRA-BIG JETS
Singapore Airlines has signed with Airbus Industrie for as many as 25 of its huge-body,
550-plus-passenger-carrying, long-haul A3XX aircraft.
The contract may be a loss for Boeing, whose 747X Stretch aircraft was in the running,
but perhaps more important, the purchase proves that the big jets are indeed in our
future -- whoever builds them.  The needs of those superjumbo jets are sure to have an
impact on the entire industry, from ATC procedures to ground operations to passenger
facilities.


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. John Gallagher sends us this information -
Subject: Bank Cards
All Bank card 'Pin" numbers throughout the world will only accept
FOUR PIN digits by next year. At the RAPCAN Reunion in Germany last
month, several of us with Royal Bank 6 digits could not get $$ from the
local ATM machines. Most TD and CIBC customers were OK.
The Royal Bank is advising all customers to change their pin numbers
to 4 digits.
John Gallagher   <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
(Could be an excuse by John to have his friends pick up his tab! - eds)


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. From the YYZNEWS issued by Brian Dunn -


For any photographers or plane spotters who may have seen a strange looking 767-300 arrive at YYZ on Sunday afternoon.....the mystery is solved.  It was a 767-300 leased to Balair of Switzerland which had previously worked for Air Europe in Italy, hence the
Balair tail scheme with the Air Europe cheatline.  It was HB-IHT and was brought into
the Air Canada paint hangar where it will be rolled out in new Air Canada colours and Canadian Airlines titles as C-GHLA (FIN656).  This of course, also leads to speculation that there must be a FIN655 about to arrive as well, but so far no sightings.
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. Terry's travel tips.
Visiting Canmore, Alberta?
The Canmore Airporter has scheduled, daily door to door Calgary Airport shuttle.
ca$34.00 door to door, $28.00 Bow Valley Trail.  1-877-609-1616.
From Calgary Airport to Banff, Canmore or Lake Louise - Laidlaw Motor Coach serves
this area - to Banff $30.00 rtn $54.00, Senior 55+  $23.00 rtn $54.00 (2 hr trip)
to Lake Louise $38.00 rtn $68.00, Senior 55+ $29.00 rtn $52.00 (3 hr trip)
1-800-661-4946
Banff Airporter operates similarly for $36.00 rtn $70.00 1-888-hiway-01


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. Smilie.
Author unknown - contributed by Gord Dalziel
FLYING  BROTHERS ...
My younger brother and I, Canadians of Japanese descent, were assigned to
the same unit as navigators on 437 Transport Squadron at the Trenton, Ont.,
airbase. As soon as my flight landed in Lahr, Germany, after one routine
flight, I reported to the weather office to debrief the duty meteorologist
on the transatlantic weather my crew had encountered. As it happened, an
hour later the next home-bound crew, including my brother, reported to the
weather office for their preflight briefing. The meteorologist hadn't spoken
for long before he peered quizzically at my brother in his flight suit,
handed him the pointer and said, "Here, you know the weather much better
than I do."
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Important reminder, for all new articles, submissions and or comments
for the "The Netletter" please send to:
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please add to your Address Books.
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will get an automatic copy and so we can keep up with the continuity of
news for the NetLetter.


Why not check out the Air Canada Retired Employees Web Site
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Number 523 Oct 4th, 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. Need to know,
Joe Lee  <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.> sends us this -
Subject: Family Affair
I see by the blue book that I received yesterday  [ Employee Travel ] on page 18 under
those eligible for Family Affair, they have omitted "brother in law and sister in law"
I hope this is only a typo error. What this would mean is I can give my brother a reduction
in travel under the family affair but not his wife.


In response, Industry Travel advises -
Yes, it was an omission.  Brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law are
definitely eligible persons listed in the Family Affair Validation
form and CIC*85.


Alan Nellis  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. sent this message -
HI
THERE SEEMS TO BE SOME PROBLEMS WITH THE PHONE NO IN THE BLUE
BOOK OF EMPLOYEE TRAVEL..THE MONTREAL PHONE NO DOES NOT WORK, ALSO THE EMAIL ADDRESS IN THE BOOKLET DOES NOT WORK EITHER.
ALSO ACCOMPANIED PARENT/PARTNER ON OTHER CARRIERS SEEMS TO BE IN ERROR OR HAS BEEN CHANGED..FROM C4 TO C5 WHICH IN EFFECT DOWN GRADES THE EMPLOYEE TO C5 ALSO..
KIND REGARDS  A.ALLAN NELLIS


Industry Travel has responded -



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The new telephone line 1-866-473 4732 is working; however, the
voice message is still not activated.  We are waiting for Bell to
fix this problem.


- Brothers-in-law and sisters-in-law are eligible


- Parent/partner will carry C4 if with the retiree on CP & REG.


It’s official—RESIII migration date set for October 21. The date we’ve all been waiting for is just about here. On October 21, at 05:00 GMT, the migration of Canadian Airlines’ approximate one million active reservations to RESIII will begin. The entire process should take 18 hours. The transfer to a single computer system will be completed by October 22.


Do you have questions about the new Employee Travel policy? All active and retired Air Canada and Canadian Airlines employees who have questions about Industry Travel or the new Employee Travel policy can direct them in the following manner. Air Canada: email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., telephone (866) 473-4732, or tely YULBTAC;
Canadian Airlines: email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it., telephone (800) 665-2560, or tely YYZTICP or YVRTICP;
Regional Carriers: contact your local Pass Bureau.
The Industry Travel team will research and respond to questions as soon as possible.


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. Hello All Canadian Aviation Historical Association enthusiasts
I sure hope you all had a great Summer and now that we are
coming into the Fall Season we will get started with History of Aviation in Canada.
Our next meeting will be on October 10th at 2PM at the BC Aviation Museum,
in the Norseman room.
Our initial speaker was to be Jerry Wesphal, but he is now in Greece on a vacation
so we now have Borden Fawcett to give as a talk on his experiences after some
50 years of Aviation activities.
Some of us will be having Lunch at the Blue Moon Cafe( Marys) around 1230 and
If you care to join us you will be more than welcome.
.        Try to remember you ID Tags and hope to see you all come next Tuesday.
If you are not a member of the BC Museum you will be assessed $2.00 at the door.
Charles J. L. Mackie Pres. of Vancouve Island Chapter of the CAHS
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. News from the Air Canada Pionair districts.
The Vancouver Island Pionairs Fall luncheon was attended by 44 people who sat
down to a smoked Salmon luncheon.
Out-of-towners included -
Terry Baker and Sheila Snow from Nanaimo.
Karl and Joy Schultz and John McManus from Vancouver.
Bill and Rita Quinn who moved from Kelowna.
Nona Deyman from Seattle.
Wynne Evans from Parry Sound, ON.
Chaired by John Jeffries, Director of the Vancouver Island Pionairs.
Guest speaker was Nicole Williamson, Sales and Marketing Coordinator for
Interlining Plus (formerly Canadian Interline Travel).
Nicole came armed with pamphlets of some interline tours and cruises, and
talked about some of the various services available from Interlining Plus.
The chairman introduced the subject of attendance at the various functions, and
some discussion took place regarding some ideas for increasing attendance. The
Vancouver Island has approximately 450 retirees, of which only 300 are Pionair
members. The telephone committee each spoke on their findings, and the various
reasons given for not attending the various functions. As the Vancouver Island
has the most senior retirees, many do not want to either drive the distance or have
a health problem.
The final guest speaker was Jo Kennedy, President of the C.A.I.R.E. chapter 2
which covers Canadian Airlines retirees for Vancoiuver and the Islands. During
her speak, Jo explained briefly, the make up of the District, and how the various
Presidents form their national board.
From the 268 retirees in the district, some 168 belong to C.A.I.R.E
Luncheon meetings are held bi-monthly, at different locations, on the fourth Thursday
of each month, with an average attendance in the 90's.
The various locations have been Travelodge in Victoria, Silver Bridge Restaurant in
Duncan, Coast Western in Courtenay and the next one will be in Nanaimo at the
Cottonwood Golf Club at Nanaimo Airport.
C.A.I.R.E. also operate a volunteer 'help line' for which car pools are formed,
and stay-ins are helped.


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Sydney employees in the Olympic spirit. The past two weeks have been very exciting for Canadian Airlines employees in Sydney, Australia. The Olympics brought
an influx of tourists, athletes, and media, turning Sydney into a party town of Olympic proportions. As the Olympics come to a close this weekend, Canadian Airlines will carry capacity loads, with October 2-4 shaping up to be some of the busiest departure days, as athletes and supporters head home. The October 2 flight is dedicated to departing CBC personnel


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. Found on the internet -
Virgin Airlines has claimed another world first by allowing passengers to receive
calls via their mobile phones whilst in flight.
If the call comes while a passenger is watching an inflight movie, it will ring through
the headset, and a message will come up on the individuals screen saying
"Earth calling". Developed by BT, the new service is exclusive to Virgin Airlines.


An on-line check-in service was launched by British Airways during the summer. The
hi-tech service is open to corporate travellers working for companies linked to the
airlines extranet. Staff from those companies can check in from home or office 24
hours prior to departure. Seats are selected from a cabin plan featured on the site.
If successful, the trial will extend to its top 200 corporate customers next March 2001.
BA claims it is the first airline to offer such a service for international passengers.


Airline staff at Heathrow airport are able to purchase goods at the duty free shops
located on airside.  Purchases can only be made during lunch time or normal work
breaks, and goods collected the next day. The employee can only make purchases
during a scheduled work day, upon presentation of their identity badge.



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Countdown to WARR. From October 18-23, the 19th annual World Airlines Road Race (WARR) takes place in Cancun, Mexico. Entrants don’t have to be experienced runners to take part in the 5 and 10 km road races—just come along to cheer on the team and partake in the fun. Courses are suited to joggers, racers, and walkers. For registration forms, contact Canadian Airlines team captain Marilyn Pedro in Vancouver at YVR3223 or Sandra Lonsdale YVR3247; Regional Airlines team captain Merlane Quon in Victoria at YYJKI; Joan Stibbard in Toronto at YYZ2185or Ron Stemhorn YYZ2127; or John Cannon and Niraj Pratap in Edmonton at YEG3675.
For information about WARR email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


. May Day!
Nicole Arbuthnot  is travelling to Australia in Mid November and
would like  to know of any affordable accommodations in Sydney.
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. Terry's travel tips.
Chuck Shnider was in the UK during the spring on a house exchange arrangement  and sent us this web site for those interested in this idea. http://www.ca.homelink.org/
Whilst on this trip, Chuck contacted various local travel agents and got a good deal
for a 'sell-off' on a bus tour with the Seerings Tours, and recommends this.
Some of the 'sell-offs' offer between 40% and 50% off normal pricing.


Subject: Mexican Riviera! by Dargal Interline
Experience a land of siestas and fiestas.
Not to mention Mariachi bands, sandy beaches, and amazing sunsets!
15 & 22 Oct, 12 Nov ~ 7 Nights ~ Rhapsody of the Seas ~ Mexican Riviera
Los Angeles return
15 Oct: Inside $360    3rd & 4th $60
22 Oct: Inside $460    3rd & 4th $60
12 Nov: Inside $460    Outside $660    3rd & 4th $60
Rates are quoted in US$ rates/per person, based on double occupancy and subject to availability and eligibility. Offer is capacity controlled and may be withdrawn without
notice. Applies to New Bookings Only.
Port Charges & Gov't Taxes are additional.
Contact us at: DARGAL Interline 1-800-690-3223


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. Smilie.
Some local flying club students were visiting the tower for the first time and being
shown all the equipment, radar screens, radios, etc., by the two controllers on duty.
One of the students asked, "Have you ever had a real live emergency?"
The controllers thought for a minute and then one replied, "Well yeah, we did run out
of coffee once...."


Here's one from  Gordon Dalziel" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
In the " DUH  Catagory "
I was at the airport, checking in at the gate,  when the airport employee asked,
"Has anyone put anything in your baggage without your knowledge ??"
I said, "If it was without my knowledge, how  would I know ??"
He smiled and nodded knowingly,  "That's why we ask."


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Important reminder, for all new articles, submissions and or comments
for the "The Netletter" please send to:
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please add to your Address Books.
This e-mail address has been set up so that both of us (exclusively)
will get an automatic copy and so we can keep up with the continuity of
news for the NetLetter.


Why not check out the Air Canada Retired Employees Web Site
http://www.acfamily.org/acrew/
Part of the ACFamily Network


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Number 524 Oct 7th, 2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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. Need to know.
The Air Canada timetable can now be down loaded as a windows edition, and completely
revamped from the old DOS version.
Size is 1475k effective from Oct 5th thru June 1st 2001.


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. News from the Pionair districts.
From the Manitoba & Saskatchewan Pionairs Fall 2000 newsletter issued by
Sandy Mandzie.
Fall luncheon will be at the Viscount Gort Hotel, 1670 Portage Ave,
Merrie Monarch room.
Date:  October 19th
Time: Cash bar opens at 11:45 followed by a hot smorgasborg.
Cost: $11.00 pp includes taxes & gratuities. Cheques "Air Canada Pionairs" to
591 Campbell St. Winnipeg, MB  R3N 1C2
Deadline: October 13th.  Call 489-3060 for more details.
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Dan Hancock sends an update from the Vancouver Pionairs -
YVR District Pionairs Fall Luncheon Sunday October 22nd
Quilchena Golf & Country Club Granville Ave Richmond BC
$17.50 p/p Cheques to Don Hancock in trust by October 15th latest.
# 11-5531 Cornwall Dr. Richmond BC V7C 5N7
more info  (604) 231-0359.
1130-1230       Meet & Greet (Dargal & Interline Plus) (No Host Bar)
1230-1330       Luncheon
1330-1400       Guest Speaker Konni Bernaschek
CART (Canadian Association of   Retired Persons.
1400-1415       Nominations/Election YVR District Director 2001/2002 -
District    Business.
1415-1430       50/50 Cash Prize Draws and Individual Prize Draws.


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Xmas Red Hat Special Luncheon
NOTE     -----      Change of Date - Now Friday December 8th.  -------
Quilchena Golf & Country Club Granville Ave Richmond BC
$19.00 p/p Cheques to Don Hancock in trust by November 30th please.
(No ticket sales at the door)  (more info (604) 231-0359).
Note: Everyone must wear their Red Santa Hat
or purchase one at the door ie $4.00 each.
1130 - 1230 Complimentary Fruit Punch, No Host Bar, Meet & Greet.
1230 - 1330 Luncheon
1330 - 1430 XMAS CAROL SING/XMAS MUSIC and FUN TIMES.


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YVR PIONAIRS COFFEE CLUBS!
1000am start! Oct thru Dec. Every One Welcome!
1st Tues White Rock White Spot Corner 152 St and 16th Ave.
(Wilse Jessee 535-0595)
2nd Tues Tsawwassen White Spot Corner 56th and 12th. (Glen Steeves 943-0494)
3rd Tues Richmond Clubhouse (inside gate to left) 5531 Cornwall Dr.
(Don Hancock         231-0359).
4th Tues Ladner Rickeys Restaurant Ladner Trunk Road
(Terri Fitzgibbon 940-1849)


Dan Hancock Director YVR   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. News from the C.A.I.R.E. Chapters.
Chapter 2 - Vancouver and Islands -
Executive is -
Jo Kennedy     - President
Terry Charles   - 2nd V.P.
Linda Hodson  - Treasurer
Pat Hill           - Publicity


Luncheon
Where:  Cottonwood Golf Course, Nanaimo (Located on Nanaimo airport grounds)
When:   Thursday November 23rd
Time:     11:30 for 12:15
Cost:      $12.00 pp
There will be a guest speaker.
Contact Jo Kennedy (250)544-1549 or Linda Hodson (250)468-5234 for more details.


Thursday Dec 7th at 12:30 luncheon at Delta YVR Airport Hotel & Marina
Sea Island Board Room
3500 Cessna Dr, Richmond
cost: $15.00
More details al Rogiani (604) 943-4427


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. News from the Canadian Maple Wings Association.
From the Okanagan newsletter Sept 17th 'Okanagan Chardonnay's Grapevine.
Rosemarie Jobson, Gretchen Aird and Carole Henderson attended the
20th Anniversary and A.G.M. held in Toronto on May 12th,  and thoroughly enjoyed
themselves, along with 400 plus attendees.
Last June, Gretchen Aird travelled to Tsawwassen to partake in the joint Vancouver/
Victoria lunch held at the Breach Grove Golf Club, and would encourage other members
of the Okanagan Chapter to join Gretchen, who plans on attending next spring.
The country lunch was planned for Sept 30th in the vineyard at St.Huberus in
Kelowna.
The next get together for the Okanagan chapter is the Christmas lunch on Dec 5th,
when they will join with the Okanagan Pionairs.
Gretchen can be reached at 860-4401.


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. From Terry, your  co-pilot -
During my recent travels driving around B.C. with Tony & Edie Etheridge, a couple
from the U.K. (Edie is still soldiering on in Reservations there!). we stopped off at
Kelowna airport, and sought out the 'Ambassadors' - those friendly volunteers who
help perplexed passengers on their way. We met Gretchen Aird, founding member
of the Canadian Maple Wings Association - an Association of former T.C.A. and
Air Canada Flight Attendants, Carol Henderson and Roger Sellick Airport G.M.
We enjoyed an interesting conversation with both Gretchen and Carol and, hopefully,
we can keep receiving information for the NetLetters.


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. From: "Jacques Gaucher" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
Subject: A/C TV Commercials
I have sent the following letter to the Advertising Dept. of the Company.
I wonder if more people should express their appreciation of the Company's high
quality commercials as well.
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Over the years, I have found that Air Canada's publicity was as times
rather mediocre not to say blah.  Recently, I have to raise my hat and
salute the great improvement made in this area.


The Company's lighthearted and funny publicity seen when you watch the
Grand Prix on TV as well as the equally entertaining commercials shown
during the Olympics 2000 in Sydney have attracted a lot of attention
from the public because of its originality, class and imagination. Their
distinctive quality have generated some very positive comments.


I particularly enjoy the clear message they deliver without the use of
either English or French.


Congratulations are in order. Please transmit this email to the
Advertising Department for they deserve a medal for their
accomplishment. As far as I am concerned, make it Gold.
Jacques Gaucher - Retired


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. In a recent edition of the eMailNews issued by Duane Frerichs appeared
this story from  Phil Pawsey <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>


There is a story about a young pilot who was finally ready for his first
operational flight, which involved providing air cover for the landing
forces in Normandy.  This eager  airman picked up his parachute and
helmet and left the flight shack well before the others. Being his first
trip, he wanted plenty of time to get settled before the rest of the
pilots and squadron commander came out.
The young pilot found his plane parked on the far side of the tarmac,
climbed in, buckled up, plugged in his cords, fiddled with the seat
adjustment lever for a bit and then sat back and waited.  He watched as
his squadron mates came out and strapped them-selves into their planes.
When the squadron leader made his appearance, the young fighter pilot
flipped on his switches, placed his thumb over the starting button and
glued his eyes to his prop.  He pressed the button, but nothing
happened.  Again he pressed, giving it a good poke this time.  Still
nothing.
Meanwhile the other spits had fired up and were already taxiing to the
take-off point.  "Come on, start," he shouted, but the engine remained
silent.
The frustrated young pilot watched helplessly as each pair of Spits sped
down the runway.  With growing despair he saw his entire squadron become
airborne and head toward the English Channel.  Looking about, he spotted
a flight sergeant some distance away. "Chiefy," he called.  The F/S
looked up, smiled and waved, then walked over to the parked Spitfire.
"What can I do for you sir?"
"The damned plane won't start chiefy."
The flight sergeant smile broadened, as if awaiting the punch line to a
joke.  "I'll need a boost," our hero implored impatiently, wondering
what the idiot was finding so funny.
The flight sergeant looked right at him and then said:  "There's no
engine in this aircraft, sir.  It's being serviced."
The young pilot's helmeted head did a double-take.  No engine? How was
that possible? Had he, in his haste, inadvertently misread the plane's
identifying letter? He would soon find out.  This is H isn't it chiefy?"
"It's H all right, sir.  But this is a 416 Squadron aircraft."
On his embarrassing walk back to the flight shack, the over-zealous
young pilot noticed his 421 Sqdn. Spitfire sitting all alone on the
tarmac.


Now the question, if an airline had been running this show, what
classification would the delay be?


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. A recent 3 part TV program aired on Discovery channel featured an Air Canada
flight from Toronto to Frankfurt and included many interesting facts about the
background work involved in operating any flights.
Flight 876 started with shots of B767 fin 633 with Jim Guild Chief Pilot B767 as
Captain and Jim Guild First Officer.
Robert Milton told us about the outstanding qualities of the B767 and how economical
this aircraft was to operate - notwithstanding the model of a B747 on his desk!
The passenger load seems to have been either 75 or 200, although, probably, it was
75 passengers who were connecting onward at Frankfurt.
It appeared that Fin nr 631 was shown at take-off to operate the flight, arriving as
fin nr 636 - all good stuff!


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.   Derek & Pearl Piers sent us some information on their recent jaunt -<>
I've just returned from Nova Scotia's beautiful Cape Breton Isle..........and took a drive around the Cabot Trail.  It is breathtaking....................and will be more so in a week's time when the fall foliage has reached peak and they celebrate 2-weeks of "Celtic
Colours"............... when Celtic music resounds through the mountains 24 hours a day!!!!!!!    Also visited Louisbourg.........restored and operated as it was in the 18th century......MOST interesting and worth a full day visit.
A drive around the beautiful Bras D'Or Lakes will make you want to be part of this beautiful Island.  (I'm saying "Island".........it is part of Nova Scotia and attached via the
Canso Causeway).
For the golfers there are a number of championship courses, including of course
Canada's No.1 course at Keltic Lodge.  We need not leave Canada for scenery,
history, and recreation.
Pearl Piers   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. May Day!
Help wanted by Kay and Syl Napolitano.
Syl and I are going to New Zealand in November. We were wondering if you know of
any Hotels in Hawaii that give us an Airline discount and also in Sydney
in case we decide to stay there for a night.  We certainly want to break our journey in
Hawaii as seventeen hours in a stretch is tooooo long.
Thanks for any help. Cheers Kay.               s&This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. Terry's travel tips.


Government regulations forbid smoking inside coaches and aircraft within
Australia and New Zealand.


Interline Getaways!


OCHO RIOS...Sandals Ocho Rios (All-Inclusive)...$515 ppdo for 4 days/3 nights


Royal Caribbean aboard the Monarch of the Seas 7-night Southern Caribbean,
San Juan round trip     Oct. 29, Dec. 10 Inside $449*/Outside $499*


Rates listed are per person, cruise/land-only, based on
double occupancy for immediate confirmation. Port fees
and government taxes are additional unless otherwise noted.
*Indicates rate includes port fees
BAHAMAS
Royal Caribbean aboard the Majesty of the Seas 3-night Bahamas, Miami round trip
Nov. 17 Inside $199*/Outside $249*
MEXICAN RIVIERA
Royal Caribbean aboard the Rhapsody of the Seas 7-night Mexican Riviera,
Los Angeles round trip Oct. 15 Inside $499*
Oct. 22, Nov. 12 Inside $599*/Outside $799*
PANAMA CANAL
Celebrity Cruises aboard the Mercury 14-night Eastbound Trans-Canal,
San Diego to Fort  Lauderdale Oct. 15 Inside $1099*
SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN
Princess Cruises aboard the Dawn Princess and Ocean Princess
7-night Southern Caribbean, San Juan round trip
Dawn Princess:   Oct. 21, Nov. 25 Inside $199*
Ocean Princess: Oct. 22, Nov. 26 Inside $199*
MEDITERRANEAN
Royal Olympic aboard the Stella Solaris 7-night Golden Fleece, Athens round trip
Oct. 13, 20, 27 Inside $399/Outside $499
Royal Olympic aboard the Triton 7-night Mediterranean Dream, Rome round trip
Oct. 14 Inside $399/Outside $499
TRAFALGAR TOURS - WINTER BREAKS - land only
Real Europe  8-night Munich round trip
Arrive Munich, Prague, sightseeing, Budapest, Vienna, Salzburg/Munich,
Includes: 12 meals, hotels service charges and tips, baggage handling fees and local
taxes
Select Saturdays, Nov. 4 through March 30, 2001 from $563
Real Greece 8-night Athens round trip
Arrive Athens,  Nauplia, Olympia, Delphi, Kalambaka, Athens, depart
Includes: 12 meals, hotel service charges and tips, baggage handling fees and
local taxes
Select Saturdays and Sundays, Nov. 4 through March 25, 2001 from $698
MORE GREAT SPECIALS...
All rates are for 4 days/3 nights.
ANTIGUA...Hawksbill Beach Resort (Full American Plan)...$225
BARBADOS...Discovery Bay Hotel (Full American Plan)...$100
BERMUDA...Southampton Princess...$238
CANCUN...Grand Oasis Cancun (All-Inclusive)...$281
CANCUN...Melia Turquesa...$135
CARACAS...Perla Palace (All-Inclusive)...$63
COZUMEL...Presidente Inter-Continental...$120
CURACAO...Princess Beach Resort...$159
HUATULCO...Magni Hotel (All-Inclusive)...$195
JAMAICA...Negril Cabins Resort...$83
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC...AMHSA Marina Bay (All-Inclusive)...$100
LAS VEGAS...Riviera Hotel and Casino...$53 (RATE VALID
SUNDAY THROUGH THURSDAY ONLY)
MANZANILLO...Camino Real Las Hadas...$153
SANTE FE...Villas de Santa Fe...$105


For details -
INTERLINE TRAVELREPS
800-209-0424
For reservations outside the U.S. call:
In Canada:  888-357-5012   In the UK:  020-8941-7200  In Germany:  06103-50880
Eligibility: Active airline employees, spouse, dependent children, parents, parents-in-law
(select cruise lines), retired airline employees and friends sharing accommodations.


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. Smilie.
Watch out for this Mediterranean hotel which boasts in its brochure -
"Large swimming pool for adults; small children's piddling pool."


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Number 522 ,   Oct 2nd,  2000,  We first Published in October 1995



Chief Pilot - Vesta Stevenson   -      Co-pilot  - Terry Baker


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Need to know.
Employee Travel policy postponed until new RESIII migration date determined. In light of RESIII migration postponement, the Employee Travel policy won’t take effect October 1, as listed in the Employee Travel document sent to your home. As a result, nothing changes—active and retired Air Canada and Regional Carrier employees continue to use 014 personal trip passes (T421), and active and retired Canadian Airlines and Canadian Regional Airlines employees use 018 U-Write passes. Until RESIII migration is complete, travel partner/guest privileges remain unchanged—Air Canada and Regional Carrier travel partners can only travel on Air Canada or Regional Carrier flights, and Canadian Airlines and Canadian Regional Airlines’ guests can only travel on Canadian Airlines and Canadian Regional Airlines flights. A firm date for RESIII migration hasn’t been established. The date will be communicated in The Daily once it’s available.


Electronic Travel Authority (ETA) applies to revenue and contingent travel. Air Canada has recently been fined AUD $5,000 for travel partners travelling without an ETA to Australia. An ETA replaces a visa for 32 nations and is a must for revenue and contingent travellers. A quick reminder that it’s up to agents at the departure station to verify if the traveller has an ETA and if not to apply for one on line. Employees are responsible to ensure travel partners are aware of required travel documents.


Tough times ahead to reach the Employee Call Centre (ECC). ECC agents are swamped with calls from active and retired employees requesting parent and partner passes. To help reduce the load—if you’ve already sent a fax to the ECC don’t send another—agents are getting through them as quickly as they can and are presently experiencing a seven-day processing delay.


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. We welcome -
David Benton    email:     This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. David is a retired Air Canada pilot
living in Blaine, Washington, USA
Email:     This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. will find  Joe Bouwmans retired Air Canada
Planner living in Dollard des Ormeaux, QC
Hugo Pieters (former Customer Sales & Service Agent YZA), email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Jack or Sharleine Haycock  email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Charles R.G.Watson(Ches) General Manager Engineering (Air Canada) living in
Belwood, ON  email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Gerri Lloyd email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Chris Irwin joined Air Canada (Trans Canada Air Lines) in 1955 in London, England as a
passenger agent. Transferred to Montreal in 1957. Worked at ULXA until 1960 and then
into the Finance branch. Somewhere around 1970/71 I moved to the newly-formed
Marketing branch ( in Pricing). Was there for a number of years and then back to Finance
in Management Information. Retired in1985. Worked with Via Rail for a couple of years
and then did some freelance work with AC. Finally really retired in 1992.
email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. will find Gretchen Aird
Try emailing This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.  for Deborah Dahan an Air Canada retiree lives
in Montreal, QC


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Dorval Base Cafeteria to be sold.  On Monday, September 11,  it was
announced that the Dorval Base Cafeteria (Main and the Engine Maintenance Centre) will be sold.  The sale should be concluded by the end of October. Fair
and reasonable options will be made available to affected employees.
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. Found on the internet -
Countdown for Korean airport -
Korea's new airport, Inchon, is trying to avoid the problems which plagued the
opening of Hong Kong and other international airports such as Denver, Kuala Lumpur.
Inchon is due to open in March 2001. To ensure there is no last minute problems,
systems will be tested well in advance. This be by a full test flight involving a B747,
5,000 people and 3,500 pieces of luggage.


Clean Machine -
This is the talking robot cleaner which says "Excuse me please, I am cleaning".
It started working at Manchester, UK airport during this summer. The automated
machine is capable of scrubbing and cleaning 20,000 sq metres of floor space
per day. The robot uses laser scanners and ultrasonic detectors to avoid
passengers and luggage as it washes vast areas of a terminal at a steady 3 mph.


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. Remember when?
The first Douglas DC6 was received by C.P.A.L. on Jan 17th 1953 and registered as
CF-CUO and commenced revenue service on the north Pacific on March 10th 1953.
This aircraft was used on the inaugural flight to Mexico and Lima from Toronto on
Oct 24th 1953. The route was extended to Buenos Aires on Jun 1st 1956 and to
Santiago on Sept 21st 1957.
Aircraft CF-CZE was used to inaugurate Montreal to Lisbon on May 30th 1057 and
Montreal to Madrid on Jun 6th 1957.
In 1953, C.P.A.L. applied to operate cargo flights Vancouver to Edmonton and bought
2 Douglas DC6A aircraft registered as CF-CUS and CUT. Trans-Canada Airlines
protested and the licence was denied. T.C.A. then bought 3 Bristol Freighters for this
service, but found it uneconomical - no doubt causing a certain amount of glee
at C.P.A.L.


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. From Vesta's in tray -
Remember this Guy?
IATA: A Ticket to Ride
"During the 1960s, John Lennon wrote '…She's got a ticket to ride…but she don't
care,'" said IATA Director General Pierre Jeanniot to the European Aviation Club in
Brussels, 14 September. He continued, "This song might be the rallying cry for the
development of the future European transport system where I believe it is both
desirable and feasible to have only one ticket to ride, on a quite complex intermodal
journey, without anyone having to care about reservations, connections/transfers,
further ticketing, baggage delivery or control authorities." Jeanniot pointed out that
most of today's major European air hubs are  congested and that few major hubs are
being planned.
"This situation suggests that it is perhaps time to look at the development of regional,
secondary, hubs with good railway feeders.


Are you a passenger complaining about tiresome flight delays this past summer?
Guess what: it's your fault.  That was one of the messages that came out of the
Senate Commerce Committee hearing today on what has been a summer of record
air traffic congestion — above the clouds and on the ground.
Among those who were criticized for flight delays were passengers who complain
about congestion but evince a “not-in-my-backyard” attitude to airport and runway
expansion. Senate Commerce Committee Chairman John McCain, R-Ariz., noted
that, at the 28 largest metropolitan airports, there have been only three new runways
built in the last 5 years.


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. May Day -
Les and Marguerite Tulett are planning to visit Paris, France and wonder who
would  have an address of a reasonably priced hotel for overnight stopovers with pickup and delivery  around CDG Paris?
Thanks, appreciate your regular NetLetter.  Les Tulett  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.


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. Terry's travel tips.
Brought to you by "Interlining Plus" formerly Canadian Interline Travel
...Vacations in Paradise!!  Don't forget, Parents & Friends are welcome!
Repositioning (Boston to San Juan)
7 night - aboard the Splendor of the Seas - Oct 23, 2000
Inside stateroom from $260 us   Ocean View stateroom from 310 us
BAHAMAS from $100
3 or 4 night Aboard the Sovereign of the Seas Inside from $100 us Ocean from $150 us
Sailing from Port Canaveral return  October & November 2000 departures.
3 or 4 night Aboard the Majesty of the Seas Inside from $150 us Ocean from $200 us
Sailing from Miami return October & November 2000 departures.
3 or 4 night Aboard the Norwegian Seas Inside  from $194 us Ocean  from $244 us
Sailing from Miami return January, February & March 2001 departures.
EXOTIC CARIBBEAN
8 days Aboard the Tropical Inside  from $480 us Ocean  from $560 us
Sailing from Ft. Lauderdale return  November 14, 2000
PANAMA CANAL
10 nights Aboard the Tropical Inside  from $730 us Ocean  from $800 us
Depart Ft. Lauderdale return  December 12, 2000
2001 INTERLINE RATES
2001 Interline rate are here now for Royal Caribbean and Celebrity!
Call Now !!
Western Caribbean from $383 us   Southern Caribbean from $405 us
Eastern Caribbean from $685 us    Alaska from $585 us  Mexico from $674 us
Call 1-800-665-3100 for more information.
All rates are per person double occupancy - taxes + port charges not included.
All Interline fares are at the discretion of the particular supplier and C.I.T. reserves
the right to secure and\or obtain alternatives to the above fares offered where
conditions warrant.


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. Smilie.
From   Bernard  Desanlis <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
A husband and wife are travelling by car from Key West to Boston. After almost
24 hrs on the road, they are too tired to continue and decide to stop for a rest.
They stop at a nice hotel and take a room, but they only plan to sleep for four hours
then get back on the road. When they check out four hours later, the desk clerk
hands them over a bill for $350. The man explodes and demands to know why the
charge is so high. He tells the clerk that although it's a nice hotel, the rooms certainly
weren't worth the $350 rate. When the clerk tells him $350 is the standard rate, the
man insists on speaking to the manager. The manager listens to the man and then
explains that the hotel has an Olympic-sized swimming pool - and a huge conference
center that were available for the couple to use. He also explains they could have
taken in one of the shows for which the hotel was famous for. "The best entertainers
from New York - Hollywood and Las Vegas come here to perform," explains the
manager.
No matter what facility the manager mentions, the man replies " But we didn't use it!"
To which the manger replied, "It was there and you could have!" The manager is
unmoved and eventually the man gives up and agrees to pay. He writes out a check
and hands it over. The manager is surprised when he looks at the check. "But Sir,"
he says, "this check is only made out for $100!"
"That's right," said the man. "I charged you $250 for sleeping with my wife."
"But I didn't!" exclaims the manager.
"Well," the man replied "She was here, and you could have!"


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