Aviation Memorabilia Newsletter

=================================================================
|\^/|
_| TCA |_        B E T W E E N   y O U R S E L V E S
_|\| AIR |/|_              N E T L E T T E R
>  CANADA   <
>_./|\._<           for Air Canada retirees
|

Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

number 257   date Apr 5th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

==================================================================

. One of the recent 'cons' to join us was Doug Davidson who writes from
Kuwait. Doug is presently on a two-year contract as Deputy Finance
Director, Kuwait Airways.

Hi folks:
A quick report on the effects of the recent "Saddam" crisis on the airlines.
BA was the first to react.  Mind you, they are particularly sensitive.
They were criticised for allowing a 747 to be trapped in Kuwait at the
start of the Gulf War.  Crew and passengers were taken to Baghdad and the
aircraft destroyed.
Their daily 777 from LHR normally turns around with a crew layover in
Kuwait. They introduced a station stop at Bahrain on the return trip, with
a crew change there so that crews did not have to stay in Kuwait.
Arrival in LHR was three hours behind sked, fouling up all the connections.
BA offered passage out of Kuwait to any staff who felt uncomfortable
staying here.  In the meantime, London banned the issuance of non-rev
tickets to and from Kuwait.  The result was that those who did want to
leave could not get a ticket.  The left hand knoweth not what the right
hand doeth.
Yield management challenge:  flights were all oversold.  When the U.N.
reached an agreement with Iraq, cancellations and no-shows exceeded the load.
Kuwait Airways (and all others) operated normally although in-bound loads
could be described as light.   It's an ill wind etc....   I was at the
airport when BBC and CNN crews were leaving to look for action somewhere
else.  The boxes they carried with them were unbelievable.  Great excess
baggage revenue!
There was never any sense of crisis within Kuwait.  Very few people left
the country.  It sounds much worse on CNN.  Till the next time......
Doug Davidson  <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Here is a bio from John & Dolores Gallagher -
John D. Gallagher joined TCA Dec 1951 and was kicked out March 1991
[age 60 rule]. I was a pilot for those 40 years. Promoted to Captain 1957
on the DC-3 and flew most of the fleet and the last 7 years on the B-747.
I was always based at Toronto. My wife, Dolores [of some 45 years]  live
just north of YYZ on a few acres. I was part of the CALPA executive from
1957 in the safety division - accident investigation and I'm still a
consultant with them. "Them" now being ALPA-Canada, ACPA and IFALPA.
I was in the office a few months ago and just for fun I put my employee
number in the computer to see what would happen. You never know - maybe
they still owe some $$.
The message said I was expired.
I knew I was retired but to be told I'm expired is wrong!
John & Dolores Gallagher     <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. FOUND ON THE INTERNET.

Ottawa International Airport is set for a major expansion starting
next spring. The 38 year old airport is running out of space and the
project includes a new terminal building and parking garage. The new
terminal will be built adjacent to the existing building and will be
twice the size. No decision has been made on the timing or the
possibility of an airport improvement fee.

SAY "GOOD BYE" TO A GRACEFUL LADY:
The end of an era in military aviation came last week as the U.S. Air Force
retired SAM 26000, the VC-137 that served as Air Force One during some of
the most visible, traumatic and turbulent times in U.S. history.
SAM 26000 was the plane President John F. Kennedy took to Dallas on November
22, 1963, and the one that carried him home in a casket later that day.
The USAF will restore the plane to its early-1960s configuration and put it
on public display.

A "LOT" OF VODKA?
Poland's national airline LOT was forced to cancel a flight last weekend
after two members of the crew showed up inebriated.
The chief stewardess and a mechanic had been drinking, forcing an
unscheduled RON for Saturday's charter flight 6202 out of Tenerife.
"After blood tests by medical services in Spain it emerged that the chief
stewardess and the ground mechanic were under the influence of alcohol,"
said the carrier.

TURBULENCE DETECTOR:
The beginning of the in-cabin food service has always seemed to signal the
onset of increased turbulence. Now, NASA says its tests on an experimental
laser device may allow flight crews to detect clear air turbulence, making
for a smoother cabin service.

FROM THE "WHY DOESN'T THIS EVER HAPPEN WHEN WE FLY" FILE:
Some people just can't wait to get comfortable on an airline flight.
This evidence comes via an Alaska Airlines flight from Seattle, WA
to San Francisco, and involves an unidentified woman whose comfort level
apparently involved shedding her clothing...all of it.  Eventually,
security was called and she was escorted off the flight.
No word on the fate of her luggage, or if the event took place in lieu of
the movie!

As reported in McGraw-Hill's Aviation Daily recently.
It seems that at a hearing called by the Senate Judiciary antitrust
subcommittee on March 19, seven airline CEOs -- Robert Ayling of
British Airways, Gordon Bethune of Continental, Richard Branson of
Virgin Atlantic, Robert Crandall of American, Gerald Greenwald of
United, Leo Mullin of Delta, and Stephen Wolf of US Airways -- found
themselves crammed together cheek-by-jowl at the witness table.
Whereupon subcommittee chairman Mike DeWine (R-Ohio) cracked, "Sorry
about the crowding, but welcome to coach class."

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. TERRYS TRAVEL TIPS.
Oriental goodies - daily rates twin - minimum 3 nights. Valid for friends
and family only if airline member travels with them.
Malaysia -
PENANG
Golden Sands standard to Dec 19/98   UKP38
book 5 days get 2 days free, 8 days 3 days free, 10 days 4 days free.
Golden Sands seaview  to Dec 19/98   UKP50
book 5 days get 2 days free, 8 days 3 days free, 10 days 4 days free.
Park Royal seaview to Jul 15/98      UKP52
Rasa Sayang standard  to Dec 19/98   UKP46
book 5 days get 2 days free, 8 days 3 days free, 10 days 4 days free.
Rasa Sayang seaview   to Dec 19/98   UKP56
book 5 days get 2 days free, 8 days 3 days free, 10 days 4 days free.
KUALA LUMPUR
Istana                to Mar 99      UKP54 book 2 days get 1 day free.
Swiss Garden          to Nov 30/98   UKP32
KUANTA
Cherating Holiday     to Dec 98      UKP24
Hyatt Regency         to Oct 31/98   UKP44
to Dec 31/98   UKP52
book 5 days get 5 days free, 6 days 6 days free, 7 days 7 days free.
Hyatt Regency seaview to Oct 31/98   UKP56
to Dec 31/98   UKP66
book 5 days get 5 days free, 6 days 6 days free, 7 days 7 days free.
LANGKAWI
Burau Bay             to Oct 31/98   UKP40
Nov 98      UKP44
Dec 98      UKP49
HONG KONG
Royal Pacific (Kowloon)         to May 31/98 UKP98
Newton Hotel  (Hong Kong Isl)   to May 31/98 UKP80
Concourse Hotel (Kowloon)       to May 15/98 UKP72
Contact Magic of the Orient UK 1293-537766 or fax 01293 537888


_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "






.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


/------------------------\               |--\_____/--\__  |
|  Between Yourselves     |______________ \______====== )-+
|       NetLetter         |                      ---|/--  |
\------------------------/                         ()

~Between Yourselves-Netletter~
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.        

=================================================================
|\^/|
_| TCA |_        B E T W E E N   y O U R S E L V E S
_|\| AIR |/|_              N E T L E T T E R
>  CANADA   <
>_./|\._<           for Air Canada retirees
|

Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

number 255   date Apr 1st, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

==================================================================
Please E-mail  all correspondence to both of us, as
Vesta lives in Victoria BC, and Terry lives in Ladysmith, BC.
==================================================================



. We welcome Doug Davidson ex C & SS & Finance Department Winnipeg now
working in Kuwait. Email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Jim Smith presently Marketing & Sales Manager with Air Canada
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

John Clark who retired in 1992 email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Wilson Quigley living in Guelph Ont email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Where are they now?
In NetLetter nr 251 we enquired for a friend on behalf of,
The name given contained some continental accents and may have been garbled,
the name was Jorg Stuve. Contact Jacques Gaucher <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. We have some bios for you -
Maynard Bartlett writes -
Glad to be aboard.... I have had several nice Emails since my name has
been added to your list. Thank-you great fun hearing from nice people I
used to work with. As promised a short bio for you...
Maynard Bartlett born in Harvey Station, New Brunswick. Started with
Trans-Canada Air Lines in April 1959 in Toronto. Records.. Went to
Los Angeles when we opened in 1967, transferred to Dallas/ Fort Worth
in 1977 APO Manager. Retired February 1986.
I then went with TranStar Airlines in 1986 and transferred back to Los
Angeles . TransStar was part of Southwest Airlines I stayed as their City
Manager for three years until they closed the station. I am now
living in the Dallas/ Fort Worth Area and would enjoy hearing from all my
buddies. ---------- Maynard Bartlett   <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

And one from Darryl Richmond -

I do appreciate getting copied and already have received a number of
messages from friends of the past, who upon learning of my retirement
through your Netletter, have contacted me by way of EMail.
I started to work for Air Canada in April 1961 and retired effective March
1, 1998.
During the first six months of my career I worked with Regional Operations
in Toronto, but shortly after joining Ed Zakala asked me to join
In-Flight Service.  I spent the next approximately 1 year with them and then
transferred to Maintenance (now Technical Operations), working for
Charlie White, Cy Clissold, etc in various activities associated with
manpower reporting, budget, and aircraft scheduling/maintenance related
functions.
Approximately 7-8 years later I transferred back to In-Flight Service at
the request of Kerry Collins and spent the next approximately 20 years
involved with scheduling matters (Planner, Planning Supervisor, Scheduling
Manager, Route Operations Manager, and Flight Attendant Manager) while all
the while enjoying many projects involving labour relations (contract
negotiations) and organizational reviews.
Approximately 1991, I left In-Flight service to join Human Resources as the
Manager of Personnel & Employee Relations, in Toronto, the position from
which I retired.
Once again thanks for including me on your mailing list and I do look
forward to keeping in touch with AC through your Netletter.
Regards.   From: "Darryl" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

And now from Bob Troup

Born in Aberdeen, Scotland. Started with Air Canada in 1951, in the
Winnipeg machine shop. Moved to Montreal in 1965. After an assignment in
Maintenance Planning, setting up the tooling for the new Powerplant shop,
I spent the rest of my active career looking after the maintenance of the
equipment in that area. Took early retirement at the end of 1977,
and have had a wonderful twenty years of travel with my wife of 56 years,
Dolly. Presently living near our two daughters, in Windsor, Ontario.
Hope to see a lot of old friends, and to meet many "surfers" at the A.G.M.
Bob Troup.  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Two responses to the story by Bill Norberg in NetLetter nr 254 -
Bob Carson writes -
Good comment from Bill Norberg.
When I joined the company in 1961 the 650 was on it's way out and being
replaced by the IBM 1401 with 16K of memory plus operated in character
mode. Did you ever wonder why the coding on many of the Sindaily items were
9 for YES and 8 for NO which was from the 650 as a Numeric machine. As a
computer "Tab Operator" working shift when the winter nights were very cold
we would arrive and lean against the 650 with all it's tubes and warm
ourselves before starting work. Bob Carson <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

and from Tom Martin -

Bill Norberg's memories described in NL254 bring back a lot of memories for
me of getting started with computers back then.  P&S didn't have an Anne B.
to help us out.  Today this PC beast of mine knows very well its the boss,
but then we didn't understand that.  When P&S was getting ready for the 650,
I was assigned half time to help with the planning and when we thought all
was well and the system was a go, we had some rude awakenings.  We found
people thought they had to have a paper copy of every transaction and we
were flooded with paper, and they were confused.  We ended up creating a
"snag clearance" group which I headed and which had Internal Auditors, YWG
Finance people & P&S on it.  Once in a while Bill Sadler and or Henry Kiel
would show up to see how things were going and we ended up working the
afternoon shift so as not to interfer with the daily operations and so we
could try to fix what the day had created.  When we were finished after many
months, a small permenant group was set up and as I recall our NL co-pilot
Terry Baker was transferred from the UK to be a part of it.  I recognize at
least one NL subscriber who was on the C&SS side then - Irv Christiansen.
I'm not sure what the Company is doing about Y2K, but I believe they are
working hard to cope with it and hope they don't have to go through the
growing pains we did with that old IBM650.
Tom Martin <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
(Yes quite right Tom, I was transferred - needed a 'limey' to help sort it
all out.<g>)

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. NEWS FROM THE DISTRICTS.

From the Ottawa District Newsletter.
Don't forget the 'Welcome Spring!!' luncheon. Saturday Apr 18th at the
Ruby King Restaurant, 3014 St. Joseph Blvd, Orleans. Priced right at
CA$9.25 pp which includes tax and tip. There will be an open bar.
During this luncheon, elections for the Ottawa District executive will
be conducted.
Call Al Martel at 820-0042 for the time and reservation.
Visiting retirees most welcome.

The Christmas luncheon last Dec 3rd attracted 50 members and guests who
enjoyed a great time.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Terry found this in the book - 'Ocean Bridge'
The worlds first 'alliance' or code-sharing in the airline industry was
probably between Imperial Airways of Great Britian and Pan American of the
US.
In 1932 when the two companies found it convenient to cooperate on various
international routes. In Bermuda they combined their resourses on the
New York to Europe run.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Terrys Travel Tips.

Canadian Interline Travel Hot Cruise Deals!
===========================================
Mexican Baja (3 Night) with Royal Caribbean - April 10/98
- Royal Caribbean Cruise Line - Viking Serenade
- 3 Night Mexican Baja - Los Angeles, Ensenada, Los Angeles
- Inside from us$279, ppd  Outside from us$329, ppd
- Includes port charges. Gov't fees are additional.

Spring Trans-Atlantic - April 18/98 - Norwegian Cruise Lines - Norway
- 14 Day Cruise - Miami, St Maarten, Southern Atlantic, Funchal,
Madeira-Portugal,   Malaga/Spain, Marseilles/France
- from us$599 U/L, us$799 Inside, us$899-us999 pp Outside (DB)

Trans Canal Cruise - May 3/98 - Celebrity Cruises - Mercury (New Ship)
- 15 Night Trans-canal - Ft Lauderdale, Key West, Cozumel, Panama Canal,
Port Caldera, Acapulco, Cabo San Lucas, San Diego, Los Angeles
- Inside from us$999, ppd   Outside from us$1249, ppd
- Port chgs are included. Gov't fees are additional.

Call 1-800-665-3100 for details and mention Pionairs.

Dargal Interline Cruises & Tours -
==================================
Dawn Princess - May 2/98 - 11 nights
- San Juan, St. Thomas, Martinique, Grenada, Caracas, at sea, transit canal,
at sea, Acapulco.
- Cost from us$773 pp dbl.

Sky Princess - May 4/98 - 9 nights
- Oahu, Kauai, Big Island, at sea, Vancouver
- Cost from us$490 pp dbl.

Dawn Princess - May 13/98 - 7 nights
- Acapulco, Zihauatanejo, Puerto Vallarta, Mazatlan, Cabo San Lucas,
Los Angeles.
- Cost from us$541 pp dbl.

Norwegian Crown - Apr 25/98 - 7 nights
- Montreal - Quebec City, Gulf of St. Lawrence, Sydney Nova Scotia,
Boston, Newport, Rhode Island, New York.
- Cost from us$449 pp dbl.

Resort Get-a-ways.
- Tenerife, Canary Islands. 7 nights from ca$742 pp dbl.
- Tunisia, Africa           7 nights from ca$612 pp dbl.
These rates include: roundtrip airfare from Gatwick UK,
transfers, full or half board & taxes.
Friends welcome!

Still a few spots left on the trip escorted by Gerry Philbrook
14 night cruise Miami to Marseille, France departs Apr 18/98. 

Call 1-800-690-3223 for details and mention Pionairs.


_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "


.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


/------------------------\               |--\_____/--\__  |
|  BETWEEN yOURSELVES     |______________ \______====== )-+
|       NetLetter         |                      ---|/--  |
\------------------------/                         ()

-BETWEEN yOURSELVES-NetLetter-
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.        

=================================================================
|\^/|
_| TCA |_        B E T W E E N   y O U R S E L V E S
_|\| AIR |/|_              N E T L E T T E R
>  CANADA   <
>_./|\._<           for Air Canada retirees
|

Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

number 256   date Apr 2nd, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

==================================================================
Please E-mail  all correspondence to both of us, as
Vesta lives in Victoria BC, and Terry lives in Ladysmith, BC.
==================================================================

. WE WELCOME -
Fran White who has an email of: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Capt D.J.Daley, retired and living in Barrie, Ont
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Bob and Betty Anderson with an email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Ian MacMurray, President Pionairs USA living in Sunnyvale, California
can be reached via Arthur Bedford on email
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Arthur, who is not an ex Air Canada'ite, volunteers his
time as Secretary.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "
. WHERE ARE THEY NOW?

If you are trying to locate Claude Fornier, try This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. WHATS ON WHERE -
--------------------------------
Saturday  April 4, 1998
ACRA Montreal, includes NewYork regional PhotoShow
ACRA Thunder Bay Curling
ACRA Toronto, includes YOW,USA & South,except
BOS & NYC Regional PhotoShow
ACRA Winnipeg, includes Sask PhotoShow

Sunday  April 5, 1998
ACRA Montreal, includes NewYork regional PhotoShow
ACRA Thunder Bay Curling
ACRA Toronto, includes YOW,USA & South,except
BOS & NYC Regional PhotoShow
ACRA Winnipeg, includes  Sask PhotoShow

Monday  April 6, 1998
ACRA Montreal, includes NewYork regional PhotoShow
ACRA Thunder Bay Curling
ACRA Winnipeg, includes Sask PhotoShow
PIONAIRS  Halifax Bowling 1pm Bayers Road Bowlorama
PIONAIRS  London, UK, coffee at 11am Harvester Pub Ashford

Tuesday  April 7, 1998
ACRA Thunder Bay Curling
PIONAIRS  Kelowna/Vernon 10am  Coffee & Chat at Muffin Break.
PIONAIRS  Montreal Bowling League Valois Lanes Pte C
info 626-3263 netltr 234
PIONAIRS  Penticton 10:am Coffee & Chat at Tim Hortons Cherry
Lane Shopping Mall
PIONAIRS  Prestwick, Lunch at St Nicholas Hotel

Wednesday  April 8, 1998
PIONAIRS  Alexandria AC Retirees Lunch Grp, for info Clive
613-525-4819 or Cam 224-6469
PIONAIRS  Vancouver Island Spring Lunch at Princess Mary
Restaurant Victoria. Speaker Wendy Patriquin of C.I.T

Thursday  April 9, 1998
ACRA Saint John NB(includes Maritimes/Boston regional Photo Show

Friday  April 10, 1998
ACRA Saint John NB(includes Maritimes/Boston regional Photo Show
PIONAIRS  Ottawa, KoffeeKlatsches, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood
Shopping

Sunday  April 12, 1998
PIONAIRS  Ottawa, Brunches, PlaceNextDoor 320 Rideau

Tuesday  April 14, 1998
PIONAIRS  Montreal Pionairs Bowling League Valois Lanes Pte
info 626-3263 netltr 234

Wednesday  April 15, 1998
PIONAIRS  Burlington & Oakville Grp, Coffee at Pig & Whistle, Burlock Dr
& Lakeshore Rd 11am, lunch may be preordered a week in
advance 847-1421

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Terry spotted this in the book 'Ocean Bridge' -

In 1927, the Government of Canada initiated an experiment known as the
ship-to-shore airmail service to Europe. By using mail planes in
conjunction with ocean liners in the Gulf of St. Lawrence it was possible
to speed up delivery between North America and Europe by more than a day.
The RCAF flew the first flights, and then it was taken over by a private
company named Canadian Transcontinental Airlines, later absorbed by
Quebec Airways. Flying from Dorval the planes made contact with incoming
and outgoing liners at Pointe-au-Pere near Ramouski.
In 1932 the exchange of mail was made at Red Bay, a further 600 miles
east of Pointe-au-Pere thus saving 2 to 3 more days of the transit time
of mail to and from Europe.
(Knowing how long mail takes today, this method is still being used! - eds)

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Those of you interested in the early days of TCA and the CGTAS time
frame may be interested in a book suggested by Charles J.L. Mackie
The book is called "the Water Jump" and is by the author
David Beaty.   The ISBN  0-06-010296-9, and Library of Congress catalogue
card number 76-5116. The publishers are Harper & Row and are American.
It is an excellent book and is all about the story of Tranatlantic
Flight, from the very first poeple to attempt the crossing  until up to
the present day.  Although it is an American publication TCA is mention
in several times in connection with TCA efforts in the early days of the
CGTAS , even had a photograph of the inside of the Lancaster loaded with
Mail and I well remember crawling the length of the aircraft  over these
bags of mail to get to the flight compartment.
The book was mailed to me from an old time pilot who was involved in
the early days by the name of Bill Fleig. Senior Capt of Reebok Aviation
in Bedford Mass.  He overheard me telling few tales of the early days
over the air and dropped in and said he would forward me the book and to
return when I am finished with it.
It is one of the better books that I have come across re the early
days on the Atlantic, and it sure brought back a lot of memories for me.
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.             VE7WW

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. FOUND ON THE INTERNET.
A COLD SHOULDER WITH HOT AIR CONVERGING
A rumor of a possible Canadian air traffic controller's strike in the offing
that would, of course, affect not only Canadian pilots, but American pilots
flying to Alaska.  While it is true the Canadian ATC is working without a
contract, and not all is going well in negotiations, the consensus is to
keep negotiating.


_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Vesta spotted this gem -

WORRIED ABOUT Y2K?  NOW THERE'S D10K
Experts predict financial software may go haywire if the Dow
Jones Industrial Average tops 10,000. Many software programs are
designed to handle only four-digit Dows, says one software  designer, who
says that concern over the D10K problem soon "will spawn the usual parade
of opportunists" to fix the bug. (Wall Street Journal 26 Mar 98)

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. TERRY'S TRAVEL TIPS.

Canadian Interline Travel Hot Resort Deals!
===========================================
CLUB MED! INCLUDES POSITIVE SPACE AIR!
- Cancun: April  17, 24/98 (Air from JFK)
- Punta Cana (Dominican Republic): April 25/98 (Air from JFK)
- us$599.00 ppd

EASTERN CARIBBEAN CRUISES
Costa Cruises - Costa Victoria - Apr 12/98 - 7 Night Cruise
- Itinerary: Ft Lauderdale, San Juan, St Thomas, St John,
Serena cay/Casa de   Campo, Nassau, Ft Lauderdale
- Inside from us$499, ppd - Outside from us$549, ppd
- 3rd & 4th person @ us$199, pp
- Port charges are additional us$125, pp.

Call Toll Free at: 1-800-665-3100 and mention Pionairs.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Smilie.
Margaret Bartlett found this gem -
'They're multi-purpose.  Not only do they put clips on, but they take
them  off.'
- Pratt & Whitney spokesperson explaining why the company charged the
Air Force nearly $1,000 for an ordinary pair of pliers.

_|_    
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


/------------------------\               |--\_____/--\__  |
|  Between Yourselves     |______________ \______====== )-+
|       NetLetter         |                      ---|/--  |
\------------------------/                         ()

~Between Yourselves-Netletter~
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.        

===============================================================

|\^/|
_| TCA |_        B E T W E E N   Y O U R S E L V E S
_|\| AIR |/|_              N E T L E T T E R
>  CANADA   <
>_./|\._<           for Air Canada retirees
|

Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between

number 336   date Dec 12th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

=====================================================================



.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:._.:*-*:.
__,_,_,___)          _______
(--| | |             (--/    ),_)       ,_)
| | |  _ ,_,_        |     |_ ,_' , _|_,_,_, _  ,
__| | | (/_| | (_|     |     | || |/_)_| | | |(_|/_)___,
(      |___,   ,__|     \____)  |__,          |__,

|                         _...._
\  _  /                    .::o:::::.
(\o/)                    .:::'''':o:.
---  / \  ---                :o:_    _:::
>*<                     `:}_>()<_{:'
>0<@<                 @    `'//\\'`    @
>>>@<<*              @ #     //  \\     # @
>@>*<0<<<           __#_#____/'____'\____#_#__
>*>>@<<<@<<         [__________________________]
>@>>0<<<*<<@<         |=_- .-/\ /\ /\ /\--. =_-|
>*>>0<<@<<<@<<<        |-_= | \ \\ \\ \\ \ |-_=-|
>@>>*<<@<>*<<0<*<       |_=-=| / // // // / |_=-_|
\*/          >0>>*<<@<>0><<*<@<<      |=_- |`-'`-'`-'`-'  |=_=-|
___\\U//___     >*>>@><0<<*>>@><*<0<<     | =_-| o          o |_==_|
|\\ | | \\|    >@>>0<*<<0>>@<<0<<<*<@<    |=_- | !     (    ! |=-_=|
| \\| | _(UU)_ >((*))_>0><*<0><@<<<0<*<  _|-,-=| !    ).    ! |-_-=|_
|\ \| || / //||.*.*.*.|>>@<<*<<@>><0<<@</=-((=_| ! __(:')__ ! |=_==_-\
|\\_|_|&&_// ||*.*.*.*|_\\db//__     (\_/)-=))-|/^\=^=^^=^=/^\| _=-_-_\
""""|'.'.'.|--|.*.*.*|     ____|_   =('.')=//   ,------------.
|'.'.'.|   ^^^^^^|____|>>>>>>|  ( --- )/   (((((((())))))))
--------         '""""`------'  `w---w`     `------------'

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

This is our last NetLetter for 1998 - hope everyone has a Happy Christmas
and we wish you all the very best for 1999. - Vesta & Terry.

|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Welcome to Bill Callum who lives in Saint John, NB and retired in 1987 from
aircraft maintenance after 33 years.
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Ron Barber retired and living in Unionville, On.
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. News from the Districts.
Subject: Halifax Pionairs
Hi: The following from Charlie Stock:
Due to the closing of Armdale Yacht Club for the month of January,
there will be no January meeting, the next meeting will be the first
Wednesday in February, the 3rd.
Also a very successful Christmas Party was held at the Armdale Yacht,
their were about 70 in attendance, down slightly from last year.
Olie Moore attended the party, he was enroute home from Sydney, where a
new Pionairs group was formed. Mitch  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Subject: Montreal District Pionairs.
131 Montreal Pionairs and guests  held their Christmas dinner Dec.3rd
& elected Pam Rosholt to succeed  Herb Guilfoyle as regional director
for 2 years.
Sam Gatelaro, has donated one of his painting for the last six or seven
years (I'm the one that has to pry the painting from him, he's easy)
and the lucky winner  Mrs Sheila Reynard.  Sheila's husband Russ has been a
long time worker for the Montreal Pionairs.
We got $501.00 from the 131 that attended our dinner, I figured it about
$3.80 per head, who said that Air Canada people are cheap.
Apart from Dreams take Flight. The Montreal District's, original adopted
charity is still, The West Island Volunteer Bureau. A part from the 501
dollars that was donated, to this add approximately 90 Christmas wrapped
gifts for seniors.
FYI I recently had a call from our new Director Pam Rosholt, asking me to
go and help sell some Dreams take Flight, clothing tee shirts, etc.,
this took place Dec 11th at the Dorval Maintenance Base cafeteria.
Take care Bill S. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.



Bob Carson and his wife Esther recently attended the Dorval C&SS retirees
monthly 'Bored meeting', these are his comments -
We went out to lunch today at Chenoy's (that is where they serve Smoked
Meat remember that) with the group from C&SS.
They meet every first Thursday and I do attend when in town. I'll give
you a little nostalgia there was a good turnout today - Kal Kalonowski,
Gilbert Gibson, Gord Henkle, Eric Lalonde (who is my neighbour),
Bonnie Alexander, Mavis & Lois Morrison and Monica & Bob Belding.
Andy McCready and Ed Mason usually attend but were not there today.
R. H. (Bob) Carson" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

TCA Alumni -
The Alumni was >very nice and wonderful to see old friends again. A
very small turn out this year only 43.
We know there are are a few people not well enough to travel also the
Canadian dollar is for the pitts but we sure need some support.
We hope this is not the last year.
The new president Mary Emmerson is going to send out a  letter with some
suggestions and hope all the members will answer.
Thanks again Mary Ryder   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(We do not have an email for Mary Emmerson, but any enquiries could go
through Mary Ryder - eds)

|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Final part of the story found by Vesta, part 1 was in NetLetter nr 335 -
Airlines Soc team make schedule work no matter what.
By PETER FITZPATRICK

Meanwhile, SOC staff through out the room are busy carrying on with
their routine tasks. Overseeing cargo is Ross Leighton, who is doing
calculations for ferrying two 6,500 kg engines to London. There
are a whole range of items, from horses to radioactive material,
that moves by plane. Recently, Air Canada shipped 27,000 kg of
Toblerone chocolate from Zurich. Across the way at another cubicle,
Erwin Wagner, in the load and balance section, is calculating
how a plane in Phoenix should be loaded. Each plane needs to be
balanced like a teeter totter, without too much weight forward or
aft, he says. Thus each piece of luggage and cargo is loaded on a
pallet that is assigned a place in the hold and the instructions are
then sent to the ground crew in Phoenix. The level of detail on the
screen is impressive, including a note that there's a "live puppy"
on board. Next, Mr. Wagner has to calculate the amount of fuel to
load in the plane's various tanks. The key is to have enough fuel,
but not too much because any surplus is extra weight that has to be
carried and reduces fuel efficiency. Another factor in the fuel
calculation is the weather and headwinds the plane can expect to
encounter en route. Over at another panel of computers, Larry
Babcock calls up North American weather patterns on his screens
and feeds the information to route planners. These same computers
can also show real time air traffic, and with a point and click of
his computer mouse, he can pinpoint and identify any plane larger
than a Cessna aloft anywhere in the world. Meanwhile, over in
operations control, SOC officials are re jigging a London departure
to give the delayed Delhi plane time to make a connection. As well,
the weather is worsening in Thunder Bay, making it increasingly
dicey to send a DC-9 into the storm. To remedy the dilemma, Drew
Tapson types a series of commands into the various keyboards
before him to replace a DC-9 designated for the route with a larger
Airbus A319. But the Montreal-Toronto jet, which is due to leave
within two hours, is still doubtful because of its technical
problems. Suddenly, Doug Platt in maintenance control hangs up the
phone and announces the plane is available. Its problem, a clogged
lavatory, has been fixed. Mr. Bredt doesn't crack a smile, but
continues to survey the room. "These are one of the few guys in the
airline who I'm happy to see sitting back with their feet up on the
desk because when they're hammering on their keyboards that means
we've got some problems," he says.
Financial Post.

|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'

. Remember when?
From the Between Ourselves 1967 courtesy of Kitch Olson.
March
Picture of a specially extended DC8 passenger stand for passengers
deplaning from the TU-114 turbo-prop of Aeroflot at Montreal.
Frank Brennan, Leo Pichette and Paul Levec the mechanics who built the
extension, Les Weigh Technician, Flight Support who designed the stand.
May.
The 25th anniversary of the first air link to Newfoundland was celebrated.
On May 1st 1942 a 12 passenger Lockheed 14H-2 landed at Torbay airport at
St.John's, Newfoundland to establish the first commercial air link between
Canada and Newfoundland.


|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Found on the internet.
Y2K KANADA:
If your plans for the first days of the year 2000 include
air travel, NAV CANADA wants you to know that 100 percent of their ATC
computer systems are ready for Year 2000 certification.  According to
Project Manager David Honkanen, "When the clock strikes midnight on
January 1, 2000, it's going to be another routine day for Canada's Air
Navigation System."  FAA, you listening?

AN FAA PORN STAR:
What exactly do our controller friends see when they
watch the radar screen?  A zillion little converging heart-attack-
inducing blips?  That's apparently not what FAA engineer Richard
Harrower has been watching on his computer screen.  The 37-year-old has
been sentenced to 27 months in prison for using a government computer to
retrieve more than 1,000 pieces of kiddie porn from the Internet.

. Terry's Travel Tips.
Visiting Portugal?
U.S., Canadian, Australian, New Zealand and British sujects do not require
a visa to visit Portugal for up to 90 days.
American Express and Diners credit cards are widely accepted.
Seniors 65+ can benefit from a 50% discount when travelling on Portuguese
National Railways.
U.S. and Canadian drivers license are accepted.
Canadian Embassy is located in Lisbon - phone 01/347-48-92
U.S.     Embassy is located in Lisbon - phone 01/727-33-00
U.K.     Embassy is located in Lisbon - phone 01/396-15-69

A.T.M's in Europe - some of the keyboards are numeric only, if your PIN
contains any alpha's - you're out of luck!

Need a car to rent in the UK?
Here are some phone numbers you can call from Canada -
Century International from UKP79.00 per week. 44-1442-216512
Thrifty 44-990-168238 email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Nationwide from UKP98.00 per week. 44-1825-761413
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
London Airport Rentals from UKP89.00 per week 44-1582-419311
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Kenning from UKP18.50 per day 44-1246-208888
Churchfields from UKP15.00 per day 44-1252-370088
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Worldwide Reservations 44-1794-518717 email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Manchester Airport Car Hire 44-161-905-1331
Big Apple Car Hire 44-1625-615999

Unheard of Interline Prices on Windstar Cruises for Xmas!!!!
CARRIBBEAN:
SHIP: on the "Windspirit"   Date: 20/Dec/98 **(Christmas sailing)
7 days round trip from "St. Thomas"
New Price: $795usd plus port taxes per person
(regular retail price for this is $4055usd per person)
SHIP: on the "Windsurf" Date: 20/Dec/98**(Christmas sailing)
7 days rountrip from "Barbados"
New Price: $795usd plus port taxes per person
(regular retail price for this is $3650usd-$3950usd per person)
Call Canadian interline Travel to take advantage of this
special rate at 1-800-665-3100!!! and mention Pionairs.

Hot deals from Holland America
CHRISTMAS DOWNUNDER on Holland America
Nieuw Amsterdam from $824 - December 21 ~ 16 days
Sydney/Australia to Auckland/NZ
featuring Melbourne, Tasmania, Fjordland Natn'l Park and CHRISTMAS at SEA
SOUTH AMERICA on Holland America
ms Noordam from $699 - January 2 ~ 16 days - Tampa to Rio de Janeiro
featuring St. Thomas, Devil's Island, Itaqui, Fortaleza and Salvador
SOUTHERN CARIBBEAN on Holland America
ms Statendam from $499 - January 2 ~ 10 days
Ft. Lauderdale, St. Kitts, Martinique, Trinidad, Dominica, St. Thomas,
Half Moon Cay, Ft. Lauderdale
ms Ryndam from $499 - January 6 ~ 10 days
Ft. Lauderdale, Antigua, St. Lucia, Guadeloupe, St. John
St. Thomas, Nassau, Ft. Lauderdale
EASTERN CARIBBEAN on Holland America
ms Westerdam from $399 - January 2 ~ 7 days
Ft. Lauderdale, Nassau, San Juan, St. John/St. Thomas
Half Moon Cay, Ft. Lauderdale
WESTERN CARIBBEAN on Holland America
ms Veendam from $499 - January 3 ~ 7 days
Ft. Lauderdale, Playa del Carmen, Cozumel, Grand Cayman
Ocho Rios, Half Moon Cay, Ft. Lauderdale.
JUST IN . . . . .
PANAMA ~ February 16th ~ 10 Day Roundtrip out of Ft. Lauderdale
Beautiful Ship - Best Available at Time of Booking -
This won't last long -  From $669!
NEW YEARS EVE CRUISE ~ Dec 31st ~ 4 Night Southern Caribbean
San Juan, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, St. Croix, San Juan
Inside $220! Outside $320!
All rates US$ pp/dbl,subject to availability. New bookings only.
Port charges/Govt fees additional.
For these and other specials - contact us at:
Dargal Interline 1-800-690-3223 and mention Pionairs.

|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

. Smilie.
Did B.O.A.C. change title to B.A. because the acronym for BOAC was
Better On Air Canada?

Controller to transitioning aircraft:
"Do you have Miami's altimeter?"
Student pilot (after long pause):
"No sir, this one belongs to the flight school where I rented the plane."

|
'---o-o-0-o-o---'
" ' "

.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


/------------------------\               |--\_____/--\__  |
|  Between Yourselves     |______________ \______====== )-+
|       NetLetter         |                      ---|/--  |
\------------------------/                         ()

~Between Yourselves-Netletter~
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.