Aviation Memorabilia Newsletter

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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 299   date Aug 17th , 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. Need to know.
It appears that the Horizons is no longer being placed on the web site,
the last version was May 1998, and no password is required to access the
web page now.

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. Where are they now.
Gemma Young  has changed email to  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. We recently welcomed Don Johnston who sends this bio -

I live in Oakville, Ont.
Joined TCA as a Radio Operator in YQX in Jan '56 and retired from AC
in Oct. '91. Aside from the first 22 mos in YQX, my entire career was
spent in Flight Dispatch. 10 years in YAW/YHZ. 11 years in YUL and the
last 13 in YYZ.
Following retirement from AC, the next 5 years were with Slot Coordination
for the YYZ airport.
Present occupation.
Grandparenting and keeping a local Tim Hortons profitable.
"Don Johnston" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. News from the Districts.
More information on the Vancouver Pionairs fall luncheon we mentioned in
NetLetter nr 295 -
Start 11.30 - 12.30 Name tags, meet, greet, happy hour.
12.30 - 13.30 Announcements - luncheon.
13.30 - 14.30 Guest speaker - prize draws - conclusion.
Guest speaker Pat Crowther, Sales Manager Canada, Holland America Cruises.
Advance reservations $17.50 pp or
Payment at the door  $20.00 pp
Confirm reservations with Don Hancock (604)231-0539
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Brian Dunn sends us this  YYZ NEWS
1)  Air Connexion is the name chosen for the new third level commuter
subsidiary that is being set up by Air Canada to feed the Toronto "super
hub".  The carrier will be operated by Voyageur Airways with newly
acquired Beech 1900Ds.  The first two routes will be Toronto to Kingston
ON and Toronto-Syracuse NY.  The Kingston route was to have been
launched on September 13th, followed by the Syracuse route on September
20th, however, just last week Air Canada announced that startup had been
postponed due to the inability of Air Connexion to obtain key ATC slots
during the peak hours.
2)  Air Canada will start up a new Montreal to Washington Dulles (IAD)
service on October 5th using CRJ equipment twice daily.  This
complements the current three daily CRJ flights between Dorval and
Washington National airport(DCA).
3)  Another three DC-9-30s are being disposed of with C-FTMK (FLN736) flown
from Dorval to Greenwood MS via Memphis on July 29th.  C-FTML(FLN737) is due
to be flown the same route on August 12th, followed by C-FTMJ(FLN735) on
August 26th.
4)  The 18th annual "Wings of Eagles" air show will be held this weekend
(Aug 15 and 16) at the Elmira/Corning airport in southern New York.  A
highlight is a "duel" between the US Navy's F18 and the USAF's F15
Eagle. More than 20 vintage "warbirds" are also scheduled to appear
including one of the few surviving P-63 King Cobras.  For more info call
607-739-8200 or look up www.wingsofeagles.com
5) An interesting web site you may want to mark down and have a
look;
www.thetrip.com/flightstatus/graphical/bin/majorair.html
You can check the progress of any flight in North America complete with
moving map showing where this aircraft is at current time.
"Brian Dunn" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Following the recent announcement that Air Canada will sell some of the
B747 fleet, Alan Rust sends this information -
Quote from Lamar Durrett
``We will continue with our fleet renewal program disposing of three
older B747-100s in the fourth quarter of this year, and replacing them with
three more efficient Airbus A340s in the first half of 1999.
``We will take advantage of the flexibility provided by our DC9 fleet to
retire surplus aircraft as required.  In addition, we will sell more DC9s
than planned.  Under the revised plan this fleet will shrink from the
current 25 to between 15 and 20 aircraft by the end of 1999."

Alan Rust believes B747's are aircraft #'s 303, 304, and 305. This has been
rumored for a long time, including last year, but this is the first time
I've seen something concrete. We still have 306, 307 and 308 to get rid of.
Alan Rust, Mailto:This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Ken Mitchell wants to share this experience with us -

I want to share an experience my wife and I had using my pass, which cost
me a few unnecessary dollars. Maybe not everyone is as naive as me, but
maybe someone else can benefit from my experience.
Our pass was made out YYZ to YVR, YVR to SFO, SFO to YYZ. After we stayed
in YVR for a few days, we were obliged to travel by road to Calgary, and
had to give up our plan to go to the States, returning to YYZ from Calgary.
At Calgary we asked the passenger agent how we should handle the trans
border portion of the passes. She said she didn't see a problem and lifted
the YVR/SFO coupons and discarded them. Now I find charges for US
Immigration fees and transportation tax on my pension statement, amounting
to a whopping $87.45. As I can't prove we didn't use the transborder
coupons, apparently I am stuck with these charges. The way to handle this
apparently is to hold onto the unused coupons and submit them to payrolls
department.
Traveller beware!
"Ken Mitchell" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
(The only coupons to be discarded are those marked VOID, all other unused
coupons should be retained and if travel did not reach a higher zone
then submit for a refund of any taxes incurred on the assumption travel
as outlined on the 'Auditor coupon' was used - eds)

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. Terry's travel tips.
European Cruise
16 night Medeterranean Highlights Cruise on 'Norwegian Dream'
2 sailings - Depart Sep 24th and Oct 18th.
Itinerary: Istanbul, Bosporus Strait, Sea of Marmara, Dardenelles,
Kusadasi, Mykonos, Iraklion, Crete, Ionian Sea, Valletta,
Catania, Sicily, Tyrrhenian Sea, Florence, Monte Carlo,
Cannes and Rome.
Inside from us$899pp dbl outside from us$1099 pp dbl.
Call Canadian Interline Travel 1-800-665-3100 mention Pionairs.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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number 298   date Aug 14th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. Welcome to Bob Bartlett retired from YYZ Flight Despatch -
This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
John Gomes retired from Finance PVM in 1990
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. Where are they now?
Bob and Marian Corsiglia have changed email to This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Joulo Himanen email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. being rejected.
Gemma Aqui email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. being rejected.

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. WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHERE  AUG 15-21ST.1998.
Saturday  August 15, 1998
Saskatoon: Canada Remembers International Air Show
Tuesday  August 18, 1998
Burlingame California Pionairs monthly meeting
at 11am Air Canada office
Wednesday  August 19, 1998
**NEW**        St Catherines Pionairs/and other
Retirees @ 10.00 am Sweets & Crepes Cafe on Ontario St
at Lakeport.  A small group of retirees meet up
to solve some of the world's problems. ALL
retirees Welcome contact Colin Bailey 935-3970
Burlington & Oakville Pionairs Grp, Coffee at
Pig & Whistle, Burlock Dr & Lakeshore Rd 11am
monthly, lunch may be preordered a week in
advance 847-1421
Thursday  August 20, 1998
Vancouver Island  UpIsland lunch at Naniamo
Rutherford Golf Course at 11:30 am $15. Spkr Sandie
Dexter AC Corp Relations
Friday  August 21, 1998
Ottawa,  Pionair  KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM
Weekly, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping
Compiled by   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Need to know.

****** Widows/widowers with a survivor's pension ******
Travel privileges continue for spouses of deceased employees who receive a
survivors pension from Air Canada until they remarry.  Widows/widowers receive
a travel card to imprint T421 personal trip pass tickets on an unlimited
space available basis for travel on Air Canada and AC regional carriers.

Should widows/widowers remarry, travel privileges will cease for them and
their eligible dependants three months after their remarriage.

Widows/widowers must contact their pensions department to advise of their
change in marital status.

******* Widows/widowers without a survivors pension *******

Widows/widowers who do not qualify for a survivors pension will receive
travel privileges on Air Canada and AC Regional Carriers for 12 months from
the date of death of employee.

Tickets must be requested through the Employee Call Centre.
The normal zone service charge and all applicable taxes will be collected at
the time of ticket issuance.

Partner Travel

Widows/widowers may register one (1) travel partner who will be eligible for
four (4) trips per calendar year and they are not eligible for (2) additional
trips for any person of their choice.

The travel partner programs are not available to widows and widowers of
employees who did not obtain 15 years of active service.

Family Affaire

The Family Affaire program is not available to widow/widowers of employees
who did not obtain 15 years of active service.

Service Awards

Service award recognition passes earned by the employee through years of
service is permitted for use only by the widow/widower.  The service award
for a partner to accompany the widow/widower is no longer permitted.

Travel on Regional Carriers

Travel is permitted on AC Regional Carriers.
Travel on all other airlines (OAL) is not available to Widow/widowers.

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. Following our article re the lap top in Scotland UK, Doug Davidson sends
this infomation -
Re lap-tops in U.K.
The adaptor for American phone jack to British phone jack is readily
available in Radio Shack stores over there, and probably others too, so you
won't get stuck.
The other thing to know in this technological age is that the pound key on
a British phone does not work.  They tell you it does, and I have phoned BT
three times on the subject.  I'm telling you it doesn't work. How odd.
British pounds don't work.
Cheers!   Doug Davidson <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. John Cooke sends us the itinerary for the TCA Alumni meeting -
November 23 - 27, 1998
TradeWinds Resort, 5500 Gulf Blvd., St. Pete Beach, FL 33706
Tel. (813) 562-1221 or 1-800-237-0707

Rate is $85 US (single/double) valid from Nov. 20 through Nov. 27
Make reservations directly with TradeWinds Resort
Fees payable prior to Nov. 1, 1998 direct to
Mary Ryder, 1000 Mic Mac Blvd., #607, Dartmouth, NS    B3A 4M7
Tel. (902) 469-1367 and
after Nov. 5th late payments to
8812 Moran Lane, Tampa, FL   33635, Tel. (813) 886-7556
$10 CA for 1998 Membership Dues (single or couple)
$26 US for Banquet per person
$21 US for optional luncheon cruise per person on the STARLITE PRINCESS
(calm INLAND waters)
Guests are welcome to attend for an additional $3 per person
*****    Remember to send a stamped self-addressed envelope!! *****
Monday, Nov. 23
1:00 - 4:00 pm        Registration, bring your bottle(s) for
Welcome Happy Hour
5:30 - 6:30 pm        Welcome Reception, compliments of your Executive
Tuesday, Nov. 24
8:30 - 10:00 am       Continental Breakfast, hosted by Alumni,
Tarpon Key Room, Business meeting, prizes, draw
11:00 am - 2:00 pm    Luncheon Cruise, STARLITE PRINCESS
4:00 - 6:00 pm        Happy Hour, Penthouse Suite 7226
Wednesday, Nov. 25
3:00 - 4:00 pm        Happy Hour, Penthouse Suite 7226
6:00 - 7:00 pm        Cocktails (cash bar)
7:00 pm ---           Annual Banquet, dinner, dancing, door
prizes, 50/50 draw, etc.
Thursday, Nov. 26
9:00 - 11:00 am       Farewell Bloody Marys & Screwdrivers,
Penthouse Suite 7226, hosted by your Executive,
"Bon Voyage" to US members
4:00 - 6:00 pm        Happy Hour, Penthouse Suite 7226
Friday, Nov. 27
9:00 - 11:00 am      Farewell Bloody Marys & Screwdrivers,
Penthouse Suite 7226, hosted by your
Executive, "Bon Voyage" to all friends

Happy Hours are on a BYOB basis with fixings, ice, glasses and mixes, etc.,
provided by your Executive.
ID Labels will be supplied for your bottle, which can be left in Suite 7226.
Looking forward to seeing you all!
From: "John T. Cooke" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>
(Don't hear about the party second-hand - BE THERE - eds)

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. News from the districts.
From the Monteal District Pionairs SENTINEL newsletter - Summer 1998.
Luncheon at the Lachine Curling Club on April 3rd was great success, and
the gathering were treated to some pretty great curling.
Some of the curlers were Roger Carter, Tom Sayer, Lil Rybend, Hugh Carre,
Peter Simpson. Winners were a rink skipped by
Reno Alfonso, Norm Reed, Paul Nakamachi and lead Bud Cluet.
Bowling 1998-1999 season sarts Tuesday Sept 8th thru to Dec 15th, then
from Jan 12 until Apr 20th, a total of 30 weeks. Games start 13.00 hrs.
Location: Valois Bowling at 62 Donegani in Pointe Claire.
Cost: $6.25 for 3 games, included money for prizes at year end.
Maximum 48 players. Please register  before August 20th.
Mary Timmons (514) 626-3263.
Forthcoming events:
Come and meet old or new friends, co-workers and retirees.
Casual Fall Luncheon at La Roma Antiqua, 4701 St. John's Blvd in
Dollard des Ormeaux. Oct 29th is the date and the menu is
table d'hote starting at $7.95 pp. This is a 'bring your own wine'
establishment. Fun begins at 11.30 with lunch following at noon.
A call to establish numbers would be appreciated by either
Herb Guilfoyle (514)696-5286 or Marjorie Moon (450)672-1404
or Yvonne Mofford (450)626-3147 or Brian Wright (450)458-7355

Christmas Dinner will be at The Olympia Hall of La Casa Grecque
on December 3rd. Costs and times will be advised later.

Once again this year, the 'Dreams Take Flight' committee have asked for
Pionair volunteers to help see the flight off. Volunteers will be
required to be at Dorval Base at 03.00 am ( yes am!) on the morning
of October 14th. Call Herb Guilfoyle at (514) 696-5286 before Sept 30th.

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. Found on the internet.
BAHAMAS BOUND, THE EASY WAY:
In an effort to get more GA pilots to visit their beautiful island, the
government of the Bahamas has issued what they're calling a "Private Pilots
Bill of Rights."  As incentive  there will be:
no landing fees, no overtime customs fees, no departure tax,
no tie down fees, no problem!
So get your sunscreen, your swimsuit and your credit card and make like a
tourist, mon.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Canadian Interline Travel -
Mediterranean & Europe -
Norwegian Crusie Lines - 'ss Norway'
12 nights Treasurers of the Mediterranean cost from us$599 pp dbl.
Barcelona, Rome, Florence, Milan, Cosica, Ibiza, Majorca, Monte carlo,
Cannes and Nice.
14 nights Trans-Atlantic cost from us$499 pp dbl.
Barcelona, Malaga, Maderia, St. Thomas and Miami.
Call 1-800-665-3100 for details and mention Pionairs.

More Princess Interline Rates!  to Alaska-Canada/New England-Canal-Exotics

7-Day Alaska Cruises starting at $399 including port charges
Sept. 5th - Sun Princess - Vancouver to Seward
Other dates on the Sun & Dawn starting at $499 including port charges

Canada/New England Cruise on the Royal Princess - Sept. 19
New York to Montreal - Rates starting at $799 including port charges

Canal Cruises on the Sun Princess - Oct. 13, Nov. 3, Nov. 24
San Juan to Acapulco - Rates starting at $699 including port charges

Exotic cruises from Xingang/Bangkok - Bangkok to Hong Kong - Hong Kong to
Bangkok - Rates starting at $869 including port charges

All fares quoted in US dollars, per person, cruise only, based on double
occupancy, include applicable port charges, and are based on availability.
Rates valid for airline employees, spouse of employee, parent of employee,
parent-in-law of employee, and retired airline employees.
Call us now at 1-800-345-7576 if interested!

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. Smilie.

Pilot:
"Airplane XXX is over [fix] and we almost have the field in sight."
ATC:
"Roger XXX, you are almost cleared for visual approach to runway 19."

Myron Olson sends us this -
Subject: Definition of high altitude flying?
That is when you on an aircraft with a window seat; and as you observe
the ground falling away and flying directly over all your relatives,
deduce that all your uncles look like a(u)nts that is high altitude
flight!

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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Copyright 1998 by Vesta Stevenson & Terry Baker. 

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Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between/vesta/

Co-pilot     - Terry Baker         This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
http://www.acra.ca/between 

number 297   date Aug 11th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. We welcome Don Johnston retired and lives in Oakville, Ont.
Joined TCA as a Radio Operator in YQX in Jan '56
and has an email of This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Herman Kuipers retired from Stores YUL - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now.

Jennie & Peter Hurley have moved from Montreal to Victoria, BC and
can be reached at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. We recently welcomed Michelle Molloy to our readers, and she sends this -

I just want to clarify a few things for you.
I see your welcome but unfortunately I am not a former Air Canada employee.
I have received the last two news letters sent out and gave them to my
stepfather who worked for Air Canada for 27 1/2 years.  Currently he is in a
nursing home and has been diagnosed with Alztimers.  It is good for him to
hear familiar names as it appears he only remembers things up to the early
80's.  He worked at Pearson T.2 in Baggage.
His Name is George Leslie Frankland.
His fondly remembers his days at Air Canada and enjoyed the last news letters
he read. 
Welcome to George Leslie Frankland who can be reached through
Michelle Ann Molloy  email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. System event -
1998 Air Canada System Golf Tournament
The Air Canada System Golf Tournament cordially invite you to attend and
participate in the 1998 Air Canada System Golf. The following details are
provided in order that you may make plans to attend.
Dates September: 13th,14th and 15th  1998
Accommodations:
Gull Harbour Resort & Conference Resort, Hecla Island Manitoba.
Golf Course: Hecla Golf Course, Hecla Island, Manitoba.
Mailing address: P.O. Box 1000 Riverton, Manitoba. R0C 2R0
Room Reservations 1-800-267 6700 Fax 1-204-279 2000
Entry fees:  Golfers $290.00.  Non-golfers $125.00
Resort Accommodation Charges:
All rooms $79.00 plus taxes per room per night based on two persons per room.
For more information contact: Bill Sim  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
For the full information and Registration contact: D.Brian Murray
Secretary/Treasurer Air Canada System Golf Committee Royal Mail P.O.
Box 470 Dartmouth Nova Scotia B2Y 3Y8 or
Company Mail Airport Operations Halifax 392
Registration deadline: Saturday August 15th, 1998

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. Your Chief pilot, Vesta, sends this information regarding a trip made
by a friend of hers  -
HOW TO GET ON-LINE USING A LAPTOP, IN SCOTLAND.
told by Kathleen Brookfield to Vesta. Kate lives in Guelph, Ont
When I arrived in Scotland, I phoned British Telecom, to get my laptop set up
for messaging. The instructions for the modem warn very specifically about
the danger of using the modem on a digital line; it can only be used on an
analog line.
The user is advised to check with the telephone facilitator if not sure.
As I had no idea of the difference, in spite of enquiries before I left about
these terms, I checked with BT and was told that the line was definitely
digital. Panic, panic. Here I was with a new laptop bought especially for our
travelling and it was no good!
I proceeded to phone technical help for Hitachi. The California number for
International help could be dialled but they couldn't hear me.
I ended up phoning our mutual friend Bill in Burlington, ONT and he e-mailed
to Chris Kenward (sysop of Fonix ISP in UK), who, in turn phoned me. And
Chris told me BT were wrong and that all phone lines were digital and of
course I could use the modem. I had also been trying to use a converter
switch from 110 to 240 volts. Chris went to Hitachi web site while he was
talking to me and checked out the specifications for my model. He confirmed
that the laptop is autodetect and it changes to the right voltage without me
doing anything.
I was amazed at this advanced technology.
So after flying across the Atlantic I could go to bed happy in the knowledge
that all I needed to get was a small adapter that converts the larger BT jack
to the smaller US telephone/modem jack!
If anybody is thinking of taking a laptop to Scotland, get your UK to US
modem/telephone connector (jack) before you go.
(Then we can send you your copy of the NetLetter! - eds)

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. Found on the internet.

FOREVER ROLLS.
A Rolls-Royce aircraft engine has set a new world record by completing
31,000 hours on the wing of a Boeing 757 that has been in service for
7 years. The RB211-535E4 powering an Icelandair B757 twinjet has broken
the record previously held by a CFM International CFM56-3 engine by over
600 hours and is still flying.

PILOT HOLDS PASSENGERS "HOSTAGE"
The Brits have built quite a reputation on their "stiff upper lip."
Captain Brian Bliss' reputation may have been made by his quest for the
truth...in a rather unusual way.  Bliss is a pilot on British Airways'
low-cost airline, Go.  After someone was accused of smoking in the
toilet, the captain made all 148 passengers stay in their seats in Milan
for 40 minutes to give the unholy perpetrator a chance to `fess up
Italian police boarded the flight and detained Bliss for holding
passengers against their will.  A Go spokeswoman says the company stands
behind Bliss in not being willing to "compromise passenger safety."

AIRCRAFT ORDERS

Russian carrier Aeroflot (SU) has signed a contract for 20 Ilyushin-
96 jet aircraft equipped with US-made engines and electrical equipment.
Arkia Israeli Airlines has placed an order for two Boeing 757-300s
with options for a further two aircraft, and has also signed a contract
with ATR for three new-generation ATR 72-500.
British Airways affiliate CityFlyer Express signed an order for two
Avro RJ100 regional jet aircraft from British Aerospace.
British low cost carrier EasyJet has ordered 15 Boeing 737-700s from Boeing,
with options for 15 more.
SAS (SK) has increased an order for Boeing 737-600 to 55 units by
converting 13 options to firm orders.
United Airlines (UA) has placed an order with Airbus for 22 A320
family aircraft, bringing the total of Airbus aircraft on order or in
service with the carrier to 133.  They will replace older
Boeing 737s and 727s that the carrier is retiring.
Leasing company Bouilloun Aviation Services has placed an order with Boeing
for 30 737-700s and took a further 30 options for the aircraft type.
Airbus is said to be in final negotiations with express shipment
delivery company United Parcel Service (UPS) for an order of about
30 A300-600 aircraft.

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. Anyone help out?
We're planning on going to Galveston Island, Texas in November.
Do you think any of your readers have been there, and if so could they
recommend a nice hotel on the beach? Otherwise, we'll do the old point and
hope routine with the brochures. With the way the money is right now we
have to be a little more frugal and won't be at the "Hilton" too ften!
Thanks!   Ed & Cheryl Scarth, Winnipeg <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. Terry's travel tips.

Kenya or Tanzania Safari Adventure.
Departures Aug 23, Sept 6, 20, Oct 11 & 25th
10 days includes Round trip space available via BA or Swissair or positive
space South African Airways (for a supplement). Luxury accommodations with
private bath, full breakfast in Nairobi, and all meals on safari, ground
transportation, guides, fees, airport transfers, binoculars, guidebooks,
stamped postcards and safari hat.
Cost Kenya us$2299 pp dbl.  Tanzania us$2174 pp dbl. Depart from US gateway.
Call 1-800-935-9444 for details.

Desert Splendour Adventure.
Oct 8 - 13th. Hosted by the Jordan Interline Club.
Package includes: 5 nights accommodation, 5 breakfasts, 3 lunches,
5 dinners, transfers, entrance fees to archeological
sites, horseback riding in Petra.
Cost us$580 pp dbl. Airport departure fee is us$15.00 pp extra.
DEADLINE is Aug 30th.
Contact your local Interline club for details.

All Aboard the Rocky Mountaineer Railtours - a two-day adverture.
Vancouver to Banff/Jasper FROM ca$495 pp dbl one way from ca$849 pp dbl rtn.
Vancouver to Calgary from ca$541 pp dbl one way from ca$942 pp dbl rtn
Call Dargal 1-800-690-3223 for details and mention Pionairs.

Greek Mosaic Group '98
Fully escorted 12 day package from us$899 pp dbl.
Itinerary: 4 day cruise on Golden Sea Cruises, 2 nights Athens,
3 nights Santorini, 2 nights Paros, 1 night Glyflada,
Athens by night tour, all transfers Athens and Islands,
Departs Oct 17th, deadline Aug 17th.
Escorted by John Tokatlidis of Canadian Interline Travel
Call 1-800-665-3100 and mention Pionairs.

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. Smilies.
A couple more from your Chief pilot - Vesta -

Tech Support:
"All right... now double-click on the File Manager icon."
Customer:
"That's why I hate this Windows - because of the icons - I'm a Protestant,
and I don't believe in icons."
Tech Support:
"Well, that's just an industry term sir. I don't believe it was meant
to..."
Customer:
"I don't care about any 'Industry Terms.' I don't believe in icons."
Tech Support:
"Well... why don't you click on the 'little picture' of a file cabinet...
is 'little picture' OK?"
Customer:
[click]

************************************************************
Customer: "My computer crashed!"
Tech Support: "It crashed?"
Customer: "Yeah, it won't let me play my game..."
Tech Support: "All right then, hit Control-Alt-Delete to reboot it."
Customer: "No, it didn't crash -- it crashed!"
Tech Support: "Huh?"
Customer: "I crashed my game. That's what I said before! I crashed
the spaceship, and now it doesn't work."
Tech Support: "Click on 'File,' then 'New Game.'"
Customer: [pause] "Wow! How'd you learn how to do that?"

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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number 296   date Aug 8th, 1998  1st Published in October 1995

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. Welcome to Michelle Molloy retired and living in Oshawa, Ont.
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Colin Bailey retired from Flt Simulators YUL, previously
Maintenance LHR, now lives in St.Catherines, Ont.
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Brian Mahoney retired Passenger Agent lives in Ottawa, Ont
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Larry O'Brien retired pilot living in Vancouver, BC
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Dan Hancock lives in Richmond, BC. Don has recently taken
over as Director Pionairs Vancouver District from
John Fitzgibbon. Email Don at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Joan Strick living in White Rock BC - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Barbara Lavak retired in Richer, MB - This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Al Wedmark has changed his email. Try him at  This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. We recently welcomed Gilles Bolduc to our listing, introduced by
Vladimir Slivitzky -
I was recently speaking with Gilles Bolduc, formerly
Passenger Sales Manager, Montreal. He is "alive and well" and operating a
moving company in Montreal, called Intraglobe. We had lost track of each
other since our respective retirements 8-10 years ago, but a couple of
years ago, when I needed to bring some stuff back from France to Montreal,
I checked the yellow pages and one of the companies I called was Intraglobe.
A very pleasant receptionist answered that the Boss was out and would call
me back.  A few hours later a man with a familiar sounding voice called me
from Intraglobe and asked if I was related to the Slivitzky who used to work
for AC.  That was Gilles. He had taken over my job as PSM in 1973.
What a coincidence in a big city!
"Vladimir Slivitzky" <This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.>

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. News from the Districts.
The Vancouver Island District held their annual picnic on July 29th, and
your Chief pilot ends us this information -
The Vancouver Island annual picnic held July 29th on Mt Doug and it was
pretty much routine.
Syd Napolitano's "Sea Gull' hat that he bought in Peggy's Cove, NS was
a hit.
There were 53 Pionairs and guests in attendance, a record breaking event!
Donna Coutts from Pionairs Toronto District was our visitor.
Stan and Eve Cornock, Saville Hambleton, Bill Singer,
Christine (Agnew) Crozier, Bill and Sally Fisher, John Innes and wife,
Frank Takasaki, Norm Stoddart, Leo Goulet and his wife, Arlene and
Cecil McCulloch, Nancy Walchuck and her husband to name a very few.
I left in the middle of the baseball game where every player that came up
to bat never made it to 1st base! And I think it was a one-base game.
No homers, that's for sure. Errors? Yes too many to count.<G>
Leo Goulet had to be called in from the field as he was out there playing
on the wrong side. And as soon as he came in, the inning was over.
Vesta Stevenson   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
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. Found on the internet.

BACK TO THE FUTURE:
The FAA says that one of its most critical mainframe computers, used in the
nation's largest ATC centers, WILL function properly in Y2K.  However, while
programmers hired by the FAA say the system will work, IBM -- the computer's
manufacturer -- continues to say it can't be sure, and wants the system
replaced.
Perhaps they had a nice, new, expensive IBM mainframe in mind?


BIN HOGS GET DIET MENU:
Travelers who cram a year's supply of goods into a weekender bag the size of
a Volvo are going to be seeing a change in attitude among airlines, courtesy
of the FAA.  The feds are providing the airlines with written instructions on
what baggage is acceptable and what is not.
This is good news for airlines, which have been grappling for guidance and
trying not to offend paying customers.
Now they can blame it on the FAA.

HOOP DREAMS DOWN UNDER:
Pilots flying aircraft into the Northern Australian region of Torres Strait
may soon be doing so at their own risk.  Insurers are reportedly threatening
to withdraw coverage on aircraft because windsocks at the remote strips may
wrongly indicate a no wind condition.  Turns out the islanders are
throwing coconuts into the windsocks for basketball practice.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Family Affaire sell-off's -
ALL TRAVEL MUST BE COMPLETED BY 31AUG 98. VALID ON NON-STOP FLIGHTS ONLY.
FARES: YYZ-DFW  $119
YYZ-PIT   $99
YYZ-HOU  $119
YYZ-MKE   $99
YYC-HOU  $199
YOW-EWR   $99
ALL OTHER CONDITIONS ARE AS PER REGULAR FAMILY AFFAIR PROGRAM.

Passengers at the Moncton Airport will be charged a $10.00 fee each time
they depart beginning Oct 1st.

Departure fee for the International Airport at Amman, Jordan is us$15.00

If you are leaving a province in Canada, you should be aware that your
provincial medical coverage may not pay all health care costs.
Health services provided outside Canada often cost more than the amount
paid by the Ministry of Health for your province, sometimes as
substantiaL difference. For example - for BC residents, emergency
inpatient hospital care will not eceed ca$75.00 a day. The average cost
for a hospital stay in the U.S. often exceeds us$1,000.00 per day and can
reach us$10,000.00 per day for intensive care. Recently, a friend from
Quebec suffered a severly broken ankle while in Scotland, and the bill
for the treatment in Scotland for the 2 nights and 2-1/2 days was 2,450.00
pounds. (ca$6,076.00) - Before you leave the province, best get additional
health insurance to supplement your basic coverage.

We still have some great deals on cruises!
Hot Deal -  Norwegian Sea - 7-day Southern Caribbean cruise for only
us$299.00 pp (port taxes are an additional us$108.00)
Call  1-800-345-7576 for details.

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. Smilies.
John Gallagher sends these for us -

On a Southwest flight once that was delayed at the gate after everyone
boarded. The flight attendant said over the intercom, "We're sorry for the
delay. The machine that normally rips the handles off your luggage is
broken, so we're having to do it by hand.
We should be finished and on our way shortly."

"Weather at our destination is 50 degrees with some broken clouds, but
they'll try to have them fixed before we arrive.
Thank you, and remember, nobody loves you, or your money, more than
Southwest Airlines."

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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Copyright 1998 by Vesta Stevenson & Terry Baker.