Archives 1998

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Douglas Hicks retired Airport Manager living in
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. Where are they now?
Denise and Maurice Methot will winter in Florida, and their new email
will be This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Kitch Olson correct email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Gerry Gough not answering his email - anyone in contact?

Bill Norberg asks
if anyone knows the whereabouts of Stan Bennett or if he has an E-mail
address. Thanks
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. Whats on where.
(compiled by Vesta)

Tuesday October 20, 1998
Burlingame California Pionairs monthly meeting at 11am Air Canada office
Montreal Pionairs weekly Bowling League - Valois Arena
62 Donegani Pte Claire
Wednesday October 21, 1998
Burlington & Oakville Pionairs Grp, Coffee at Pig & Whistle,
Burlock Dr & Lakeshore Rd 11am.
St Catherines Pionairs/and Retirees @ 10am Sweets & Crepes Cafe
on Ontario St at Lakeport.
Friday October 23, 1998
Ottawa, Pionair KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM
Weekly, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping
Tuesday October 27, 1998
Houston TX - Blue Angels   air show
Montreal Pionairs weekly   Bowling League - Valois Arena
62 Donegani Pte Claire
Wednesday October 28, 1998
Calgary Pionairs Luncheon & General Meeting at Royal Canadian Legion
Houston TX - Blue Angels air show.

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. Stew Stockfish sends in his bio -
Some background.....
I started in YOW as a Station Attendant back in June 1948, moved to YYZ in
l952 & did a variety of jobs until I moved to YUL in 1967.
Did management training until 1970 then moved back to YYZ .
I was Customer Service Manager at Terminal 2 until I was transferred
to YAM (Sault Ste. Marie) in Dec. 73 as District Sales Manager & stayed &
retired here in Mar. 1989. My wife`s name is Barbara & we have 5 grown
children 2 of whom work for AC in YYZ.
stew stockfish     This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Found on the internet.
CONTINENTAL TRYING TO SET UP ALLIANCE
Continental Airlines and Northwest Airlines have held talks about
widening their partnership to include three European carriers,
adding another ripple in the wave of global airline alliances.
The carrier has approached Air France, Italy's Alitalia and KLM Royal Dutch
Airlines about forming a larger global partnership.
A likely name for the alliance is Wing.

A British doctor who came to the rescue of a fellow passenger on
an American Airlines flight is suing the airline to recover the cost of
his intervention, which he puts at USD 200 per hour for a total of
USD 900. "I was asked by a rich, ruthless commercial organization
to undertake a service as a professional. I did that service. I did it
well. I deserve to be paid," said Dr. John Stevens, who has pledged
to donate the money to charity. American Airlines said it thanked
the doctor with a bottle of champagne and a flight voucher, which
he declined.

American Airlines is canceling flights due to a shortage of pilots.
American pilots take most of their retirement money in a lump sum
from a company mutual fund, and their contract provides for a three-
month window to retire at a set share price. As result, pilots who
leave now get retirement distributions based on July's stock prices
that were much higher than current performance. Lately American pilots
have been receiving distributions of up to us$3-million apiece at
retirement!

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. Time for another story from Bill Norberg -
Subject: Our first 747 is damaged!

The arrival of our first 747 was a major event in the early spring of 1971.
We in Maintenance had been preparing for its arrival for a long time and
felt we knew quite a bit about them. However when you come face to face
with the first 747 you will be responsible for maintaining you feel a little
humbled. It was a huge aircraft and so much was to depend on its
performance and reliability.
We had no practical back up for a 747 flight at that time.
After the aircraft arrived at Gate 22 of the Dorval Terminal after its
delivery flight we moved it to our new 747 sized hangar for training and
modifications. We tended to treat the aircraft like fine china as no one
wanted the unenviable reputation of having "dinged" our first 747.
We had two bays in the new 747 hangar at Dorval and one was completed in
time to accept this first 747. As the construction work had just been
completed on this bay we wanted to be sure there were no tools, pieces of
construction material or other foreign objects that could fall off the
beams and walkways in the ceiling area of the hangar and hit the aircraft
below. We had our facilities people check all these areas the day before
and felt comfortable that all was well.
The aircraft was finally placed in the hangar. Not long after a
construction workers safety helmet was to fall directly on the top of the
747 damaging the SATcom antenna, for which we had no spare as it was not in
use at that time. We recovered the helmet but were never able to identify
its owner. No doubt a worker from the unfinished bay was curious and came
across the walkway to have a look at this marvellous new huge aircraft.
There is an old saying..."If it can happen....it usually does".
We eventually were to become good friends with the 747's and realized that
the sky did not fall if we had a technical problem with one of them. We
just had to take it on as we did with every other aircraft. As I remember
it we had 38 days of the operation on the Miami flight before we had our
first maintenance delay.
The honeymoon was over.
Bill Norberg   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(Fin 301 CF-TOA was received Feb 9th 1971. - eds)

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. Brian Dunn sends us some more information -
To clarify the item regarding the Air Canada 747-133s, here is the latest
info. FIN305 (C-FTOE) attempted to fly YYZ-YVR on Saturday morning
October     3rd, but blew #2 engine after takeoff and had to return to YYZ.
After an engine change, it went to the paint hangar and had the logo removed
from the tail and the titles and logo removed from the fuselage.
It ferried YYZ-YUL October 5th at 1500hrs. It will have seats removed from
inside and be flown presumably to Marana Arizona.
All three 747-133s have been sold jointly to P&W engines and Evergreen Intl.
P&W will get all the engines after the aircraft are ferried to the desert,
and Evergreen will have the airframes. We presume they will take off all
spare and usable parts, then eventually chop up the remains.
FIN304 (C-FTOD) is sitting at Montreal waiting its turn to be "un-painted"
and ferried south, while FIN303 (C-FTOC) will remain in service for another
week or two before being retired.
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. Terry's travel tips.
July 1st 1999 will see the closing of the duty free shops at airports
within the European Union of countries - stock up now!

Steve Charlton sends this -
Was in Barbados last weekend - interline rate for Hilton still
half-price at "only" $135US. I understand that this winter is the last
before the hotel is completely demolished and rebuilt, targetted for
opening winter 2000-2001. Obviously closed for next winter (1999-2000)
Steve        This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Kenya Safaris
Ex Nairobi - Land only full board
2 nights Game parks Ambroseli & Tsavo West               UKP215 pp
Masai Mara                           UKP179 pp
Ambroseli                            UKP199 pp
3 nights Game parks Rift Valley & Masai Mara             UKP255 pp
Samburu & Aberdares                  UKP249 pp
4 nights Game parks Aberdares, Rift, Masai               UKP389 pp
5 nights Game parks Amboseli, Tsavo, Masai & Lake Nakuru UKP475 pp
Overnight accommodation in Nairobi Panafric Hotel UKP25 pp per night B&B
Contact Touchdown in the UK 1293-425000

Non smoking B & B at Kettlewell, Nr Skipton, North Yorkshire, UK offering
10% discount for Air Canada retirees off normal rate UKP25.00 pp per night.
Includes full English breakfast, based on 2 sharing a double or twin room
all en-suite with tea/coffee making facilities.
Contact the UK 1756-760378.

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. Smilie.
Alan Rust sends this (with tongue in cheek!)-
Air Canada IT has defined a lower cost alternative for computer
conversions that also addresses the Y2K (Year 2000) issue:
Subject: Y2K SOLUTION!

Rumour has it that there is no longer any need for network or software
applications support. (See below) The goal is to remove all computers from
the desktop by Jan, 1999. Instead, everyone will be provided with an
Etch-A-Sketch.
There are many sound reasons for doing this:
1. No Y2K problems
2. No technical glitches keeping work from being done.
3. No more wasted time reading and writing mails.
Frequently Asked Questions for Etch-A-Sketch Technical Support
Q: My Etch-A-Sketch has all of these funny little lines all over the screen.
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: How do I turn my Etch-A-Sketch off?
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: What's the shortcut for Undo?
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: How do I create a New Document window?
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: How do I set the background and foreground to the same color?
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: What is the proper procedure for rebooting my Etch-A-Sketch?
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: How do I delete a document on my Etch-A-Sketch?
A: Pick it up and shake it.
Q: How do I save my Etch-A-Sketch document?
A: Don't shake it.
(Vesta's comment - No doubt MicroSoft is already studying this.
I'll bet they buy the company.)

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. That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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. Need to know!
Don Fawcett tells us -
Subject: Moncton airport tax
FYI Moncton is now charging a $10.00 boarding fee , to be used
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. News from the districts.
Subject: Edmonton luncheon
This is to advise that the next Edmonton Pionair luncheon will be held
on October 25, 1998 at the Nisku Inn (near the International Airport), at
11:30 a.m., at a cost of $12.50 each. Our Guest Speaker will be Bill
Gordon. He is a high school counselor and is well known for his very
timely and humorous public speaking messages. This is his second visit to
our group. Again, just a reminder, there is a shuttle bus from the Airport
to the Nisku Inn.
For more information,
contact Shirley Jay, (403) 436-0866, This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Myron Olson sends this information -
Subject: QUARTER CENTURY AVIATION CLUB

Our aviation club is starting the season off on Oct. 20th at 1800 hrs
at the Austria Vancouver Club located at 5851 Westminster Hwy. Richmond
BC with a dinner/meeting. Anyone with 25yrs of aviation affinity is
welcome. Annual dues are $15.00 and meals of roast beef or pork
schnitzel are the fare at $15.00 per. Require acknowledgement for both
the meal and your presence.
You can join up at the door we presently have 316 members from all
aspects of aviation
Phone/fax or email Myron Olson (604) 530-1942 or fax (604) 530-1761.
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. Heather and Ralph Tisdall sends us a writeup on the Prestwick Close
Golf Tourney -
We had 40 people attend this year and it was a very sucessfull Prestwick
Close. Ralph has had Fleece Vests, Golf Shirts, Golf Hats and Golf Towels
monogrammed with a Prestwick Close 30th Anniversary. There was a very good
response from the golfers attending this year and we hope to have all or
most   of next years tournament dressed with the logo. The 30th Anniversary
will most
likely be in early Sept. 1999 and held in PEI. We are in the middle of
making   plans and will let you know where we will hold it as soon as plans
have been    confirmed. We hope that alot of your readers will join us next
year. The
people attending this year were Bill and Kay Freeman, Pat and Mary Mepham,
George and Bonnie Landry, Ken and Monique Greene, Earl and Anita Doyle, Willie
and Bev Papp [guests], Murray and Ione Phipps, Alex and Martha Bull, Ken
and    Claudia Stefanik, Jack and Betty Logan, Hugh and Esme Rombough, Read
and Lynne
Hannan, Terry and Annie Waghorn [guests], Al and Bev Edwards, Dave and
Chris    Mann [guests from United Airlines, Knoxville, Tenn.], Jim and Karen
Bush
[guests from Knoxville, Tenn.] Rodger and Marie Miners, Stan and Aileen
Hegstrom, and Ralph and Heather Tisdall. Unfortunately, Gord and Lucette
McCready had to cancel at the last minute.
It was great this year to have so many Lady Golfers out as well. We were
12    in number where as last year we only had 4. The winner of the
Prestwick Close   Plaque was Jack Logan. 1st Low Gross Men was Al Edwards an
d 1st Low Net Men    was Read Hannan. Ladies 1st Low Net was Chris Mann and
2nd Low Net was Anita    Doyle.
The Draw for the Non-Golfing Ladies was won by Esme Rombough and Ione
Phipps.   The Putting Contest was won by Murray Phipps. The Schooner Cove
Resort outdid   themselves with wonderful meals set out for us at all times.
Fun was had by     all and we all look forward to 1999 and making it an even
bigger one. We can    taste the Lobster already.
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. John Rodger sends this -
I have received permission from the AC System Hockey Chairman to have an
old timers division in this years system event to be held in Burnaby B.C.
March 2nd,3rd & 4th 1999.
This division will include Pionairs and active employees from across the
system. The age group will start at 50 and up.
To be able to play in the tournament they will have to be ACRA members and
if retired a member of the pionairs.
I also would like to have reps in YVR, YWG & YYZ.
If interested contact John Rodger      This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Sheila Moscoe gives an update on the Pearson (YYZ) Airport retirees -
Subject: T2 Coffee Klatch
Well, our second monthly T2 Coffee Klatch was a huge success!!
We had almost 30 people there, and what a reunion!!! A few of our former
supervisors like Bill Mason (sporting a gray pony tail!!) and John
Cannemeyer were there. Now that we're all retired, they don't seem like
"older" supervisors anymore...just our age, if you know what I mean.
Anyhow, we are looking forward to putting out an updated name list and
seeing more airport sales retirees.
Spread the word. It's the first Tuesday of each month at the
Golden Griddle on Airport Road, in the Airway Centre,
just opposite the terminals.
P.S. I noticed in the Netletter you referred to Mississauga...but since
we're "oldtimers", we still like to refer to the airport as Toronto or
Pearson. Thanks   Sheila This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Found on the internet.

WIPE THE WINDOWS, CHECK THE OIL, DOLLAR GAS:
Don't try this at home, boys and girls. According to the FAA's report,
a Cessna 152 ran out of fuel on September 18 near Sterling, Colo.
After landing "on Larson Street" and "refueling at a gas station" local
law enforcement guided the aircraft to the nearby interstate highway.
Sure enough, the pilot took off, and safely arrived in Broomfield, Colo.
later that day.

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. Michael Lezama recently joined our readership and sends his bio -

Joined Air Canada on January 1st, 1970 as Industry Affairs Representative
in the Pricing and Industry Affairs Department located at Place Ville Marie,
Montreal H.Q.
On the establishment of the new Marketing Division in 1970 under
Vice-President Yves Menard, I was appointed Market Development Manager,
Southern Routes reporting to the Market Development Director, South;
then in 1975, I was appointed - Merchandising Manager, International
reporting to the Director, Merchandising; In 1977, I assumed the
position of Manager, Sales Programs and Projects in the Sales
Development and Support Division of the Marketing Branch.
In 1978, with the establishment of the new Atlantic Canada Region, I was
transferred to the position of Product and Sales Manager, Atlantic
Canada based in Halifax, NS and reporting to the Vice-President,
Atlantic Canada. In 1980, I was promoted to the position of Director,
Sales and Service, Atlantic Canada and in 1985 I assumed the position of
General Passenger Sales Manager, Nova Scotia reporting to the General
Manager, Atlantic Canada.
In 1991, with the splitting of the Regional Sales and Service
organization into the Sales Group and the Airport Operations/Customer
Service Group, I was appointed General Manager, Passenger Sales,
Atlantic Canada reporting to the General Manager, Passenger Sales, Canada.
I ended a very rewarding and interesting career with Air Canada
in February, 1993.
Michael Lezama      This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.
U.K. Air Passenger Duty Tax
When departing the UK, there is a UKP10.00 tax included in your pass
cost if the destination is another UK destination or anywhere in the
European Union which includes Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Eire,
Italy, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Austria, Finland,
Sweden, Norway and Iceland. For other worldwide destinations the tax is
UKP20.00.
Passengers travelling via Heathrow, Gatwick or any other UK airport to
destinations outside the UK will not be liable to pay twice, provided
they are not stopping over. It is suggested that you provide flight details
showing onward - intransit - travel to Industry Travel requesting a
refund of tax. For example if you use a pass Canada - UK - Canada it will
include the GBP20.00 tax for your return, if you use a zed ticket on an
airline to any other destination, the tax will be included in the fare
charged - you could be eligible for a refund if your onward travel is the
same day!

Always carry your Air Canada ID card as you may be asked to produce it
at check-in. Relatives, partners and buddies should also ensure they have
some form of identification with them, especially for domestic flights
on which a passport will not be required. Allow plenty of time to complete
check-in procedures. It is recommended that minimum check-in times be
exceeded.

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. That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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Please send everything for the NetLetter to both Vesta and Terry.

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. HAPPY BIRTHDAY NETLETTER!
Just 3 years ago yesterday. On the 10th of October 1995 Vesta and I sent
our very first NetLetter. Over the years we have grown to a readership of
well over 500. Some of our early readers are -
Alan Rust, Gord Hykle, Mark Caduc, Doug Cochrane, Sheldon Doskie,
Mike Leduc, Phillip Pawsey, Benoit Vezina, David Walker, Terry Kwizak,
Bill Sim, Frank Takasaki, Jack Dahlgren, Aron Charad, Eric LaLonde,
Moe Dixon, Dave Baker, Joe Mallory, Al Blackwood, Douglas Marchant,
Saville Hambleton and Charles Mackie.
If any of you have been trying to contact a fellow worker, let us know
we may be able to get you in contact with each other.

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. More to welcome -
Stew and Barbara Stockfish retired District Sales Manager in Mar 1989,
lives in Sault Ste. Marie Ont. email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Frank & Deede Coughlin retired. Phil Pawsey tells us that Frank was
a senior Navigator upon retirement. Frank and I came home from
overseas during WW2 on the same boat, in fact we were around
30 West on VE day and we were issued one whole bottle of beer.
Frank can be emailed at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Kitch Olson retired V.P.Purchases & Facilities YUL, now living in
Sidney, BC. Email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now!
Bob and Betty Anderson can be emailed at This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Creighton Sargeant gave us a wrong email in NetLetter nr 317, should
be This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

If you are having trouble contacting David Walker in Montreal on

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. Golfers - eat your heart out!
Brad Faxon, US golf professional entered the record books with a putt that
travelled 8 1/2 miles in 23 seconds. He sent the ball rolling 120 foot
down the aisle of the passenger cabin of the Concorde as it flew 1330 mph
on the flight taking the US Ryder Cup team from New York to Malaga, Spain
last year. The 3 hour 25 minute flight was the fastest passenger flight
from New York to Malaga.
(He missed making the putt by the way! - eds)

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. Help!
David Walker from Monteal makes this request
I recently received a copy of an old black and white photo from the
company archives.
The picture (circa 1951) showed the senior Link Trainer instructor
Bill Finnie, and a new hire pilot trainee - me.
I wonder if you could ask if anyone has an address for Bill.
I would like to send him a copy of the picture.
Thanks   David Walker   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

John Bosma has a request -
Could anyone tell me where we can purchase merchandize with the
Air Canada logo on it, i.e. wine and liquer glasses.
At one time there was an insert in Between Ourselves.
I also remember an Air Canada catalogue with all kinds of items, but it
seems it was held back in the Supervisors drawer.
thanks...John. This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Found on the internet.
ICEs to replace short-haul flights
German Railway and Lufthansa are agreed that rail will in the future largely
replace domestic air services. Although the switch will start modestly with
flights from Koln, Dusseldorf and Stuttgart converting to ICE services once
the Koln -- Frankfurt high speed line is completed, there are plans for
many more domestic air feeder routes to be covered by rail services in the
long term.
Key to the proposals is completion in 1999 of a dedicated inter-city station
at Frankfurt airport. Stations offering similar facilities are being built
or planned at the airports in Koln-Bonn, Dusseldorf, Berlin and Leipzig.
Meanwhile, Lufthansa passengers will from this month benefit from a
'moonlight check-in' facility in Dusseldorf, Koln, Bonn, Nurnberg and
Wuerzburg stations by handing in checked baggage and collecting a boarding
pass the evening before departure.

Not strictly air, but somewhat relevant.
The Australian government selected the French TGV for the Sydney - Canberra
high speed railway. Interestingly, Qantas is one of the partners in the
consortium which will build and operate the line. Qantas plans to eliminate
short-haul air services between the two cities after 2003.
The journey time would be 81 minutes, compared to 50 minutes flying time.
Sydney airport is around 40 minutes from the city by taxi.
The new line will run via Sydney airport with stations at the domestic and
international terminals.

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. B747's.
More info re the B747's being retired by Air Canada.
Fin 301 CF-TOA was delivered to AC Feb 9th 1971, sold to Guiness Peat
Aviation on July 28th 1984 and, after a succession of different owners and
sub leases, ended up with AAR Engine Sales & Leasing on July 6th 1995 to be
cannibalized for spares and broken up.
Fin 302 CF-TOB was delivered Mar 18th 1971, sold to Guiness Peat Aviation
on May 1st 1985 for a varied list of owners including Iberia, Middle
East      Airlines, Olympic Airways, Egyptair, Nigeria Airways, Wardair,
Fedex,          Nationair and stored in Saudi Airlines livery in the Mirana
Desert
in October 1995.
Fin 303 was delivered June 24th 1971.
Fin 304 was delivered May 14th 1973.
Fin 305 was delivered May 13th 1974.

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. News from Toronto by Brian Dunn -

Aeroflot Russian International will be commencing scheduled service
into YYZ for the first time effective October 26th with twice-weekly
A310 flights. Their previous flights were officially charter flights.
This time they will route their Monday flights SVO-YUL-YYZ, then
non-stop YYZ-SVO for the return.

Mexicana Airlines will be moving over to Terminal 2 from Terminal 1
sometime this fall. They would like to become full members of the Star
Alliance group, but are now content to code-share with United to/from
U.S.A. points. It is expected that an announcement will be made about
Mexicana code-sharing with Air Canada on their services from Toronto and
Montreal to Mexico City once a moving date has been established.
Mexicana currently operates three A320s per week from/to Mexico City and
Toronto.

Air New Zealand and Air Canada have launched a new code-sharing
agreement effective October 8th. The Vancouver to HNL leg is flown with
Air Canada 767-300s on "wet-lease" to Air New Zealand, and then passengers
switch to Air New Zealand 767s for the HNL to Auckland leg.
Air New Zealand is set to become a full member of the Star Alliance group
in 1999.                       Brian Dunn   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Terry's travel tips.

Visiting Australia?
You need a valid passport and a tourist visa. The visa is free from the
Australian consulate, embassies or ETA which is a free electronic approval
available through any travel agent.

HOT HOLIDAY SPECIALS
7 night Western Caribbean - Celebrity Mercury - Dec. 20
$475 inside pp/dbl, 3rd & 4th $77.50, outside - $575
Ft. Lauderdale, Key West, Calica, Cozumel, Grand Cayman, Fort Lauderdale
7 night Eastern Caribbean - Celebrity Century - Dec 19
$875 inside pp/dble, $1175 outside
Ft. Lauderdale, San Juan, St. Thomas, St. Maarten, Nassau, Ft. Lauderdale
7 night Deep Caribbean - Celebrity Galaxy - Dec 19
$775 inside pp/dbl, 3rd & 4th - $375, outside $875
San Juan, Catalina Island, Barbados, Martinique, Antiqua,
St. Thomas, San Juan
7 night Western Caribbean - NCL Majesty - Dec. 21
$699 inside pp.dbl, $849 outside, $899 deluxe
Miami, Belize City/Belize, Cozumel/Mexico, Key West/Florida,
Great Stirrup Cay, Miami
7 night Western Caribbean - NCL Leeward - Dec 21
$699 inside pp/dbl, $849 outside, $899 deluxe
Miami, Nassau, Great Stirrup Cay, Cozumel/Mexico, Cancun/Mexico,
Key West, Miami
10 night Western Caribbean - RCL Splendor of the Seas - Dec 16
$964 inside pp/dbl, $509 - 3rd & 4th, $1164 outside
Miami, Playa del Carmen/Cozumel/Mexico, Georgetown/Grand Cayman,
Ocho Rios/Jamaica, St. Thomas/USVI, San Juan/Puerto Rico,
Labadee/Haiti, Miami
All rates US$ pp/dbl, subject to availability, new bookings only.
Port charges/Gov't fees additional.
Contact Dargal Interline at 1-800-690-3223 and mention Pionairs.

SOUTH AMERICA.
7 days/4 nights Lima, Cuzco, Machu Picchu from us$1079 pp dbl includes
Round trip space available to Lima, positive air from Lima to Cuzco,
train to Machun Picchu and return Lima, 2 nights hotel with breakfast
in Cuzco, 2 nights Lima, transfers, tour lima and Machu Picchu.
7 days/4 nights Rio De Janeiro from us$469 pp dbl includes
Round trip space available air, 4 nights accommodations with breakfast
and tour of Rio.
7 days/4 nights Santiago, Chile from us$659 pp dbl includes
Round trip space available air and hotel accommodations.
Call 1-800-422-3727 for more details.

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. Smilie.
We can't verify this story, but it seems that aircrews are getting more
resourceful about supplementing their incomes...
It is reported the following announcement was heard over the cabin PA system
of a Cathay Pacific B747:
"Ladies and gentlemen, we are overbooked and are offering anyone $1,000 plus
a seat on the next flight in exchange for their seat on this flight."
After a short pause, the offer was loudly accepted by someone in the cockpit.

Karl Eliason sends us another 'Southwest' joke -
This is an actual joke I heard on Southwest Airlines, just after a
very hard landing in Salt Lake City, one of the most bone jarring
experienced; The steward came on the intercom and said, "That was quite
a bump and I know what ya'll are thinking. I'm here to tell you it
wasn't the airlines fault, it wasn't the pilots fault, it wasn't the
flight attendants fault.......it was the asphalt!"

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. That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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2. An attachment to an email broadcast caused technical difficulties to some
recipients. We apologize for that. It was not our intention to inconvenience
anyone, I understand it has been particularly difficult for Mr. Ron Munson
in the UK, the European web setup being different from North America.

We receive many email notes thanking us for keeping in touch in a
timely manner and we do not wish to have anyone on our email list who does
not wish to be there. We certainly appreciate the Air Canada retirees and
hope to continue to have a good working relationship.
Thanks for you assistance in this regard.
Sincerely, Carol

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. We welcome more of you -
Sharon Lysek retired Customer Services Manager US Region - Tampa, now
living in Mateo, CA, USA. email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Bernard Miles with email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Creighton Sargeant retired Mgr. Properties & Facilities Admin. lives
in Oakville, ON. email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Michael Lezama, he joined the airline in 1970 retired in 1993
as General Manager, Passenger Sales & Service, Atlantic Region.
Mike and his wife Margaret reside in Dartmouth, N.S.
email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Where are they now?
Lost touch with Dan Moss - try his new email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Al Thompson sends us his bio -
I live in Mississauga Ont.
I retired from Air Canada on Apr/94 after spending 35 very happy years with
the company. I joined Trans-Canada Air Lines Jul/59 in Prestwick Scotland
in the commissary department, after four years there I transferred to sales
in both PIK and GLA. In Dec/70 I was successful in obtaining a transfer to
Flt Ops scheduling in YYZ, at that time we scheduled both pilots and IFS,
when these departments divided I decided to join IFS, there I remained as a
Flight Att. supervisor/OBM until my retirement.
I have been asked, when required to do consultant work for World Duty Free
In Flight (they are responsible for AC boutique sales on board) this is
apart from my business as courier in which I travel approx 350 k a day all
over Ont.     Al Thomson This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
PS: Katwoman is my daughters e-mail address which I am using...

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. News from the districts -
The Vancouver Island District held their Fall Luncheon on Oct 7th, emceed
by the Director Bill Fisher to am appreciative crowd of 80 Pionairs and
guests which included 4 from Vancouver, 2 from Langley and several from
'Up Island', together with a group from the Maple Wings Vancouver Dogwood
Chapter.
Names of some of the Pionairs you may remember include Kitch Olson,
Ernie Olson, Edgar Farthing, Saville & June Hambleton, Cec & Arlene
McCulloch, Norm Stoddart, Leo Goulet, Sheldon Doskie, Fred & Monique Coyle,
Ernie & Lois North, Mr & Mrs Jack Somerset.
Bill Fisher entertained us with a variety of jokes before we enjoyed the
roast beef lunch. Guest speaker was Olie Moore, National President of
Pionairs who told us the tale of the 1st B747 for Air Canada being
accepted at the Boeing factory at Renton. This aircraft was being used
for publicity purposes, but the cost of hiring professional 'passengers'
was more than the budget allowed. Roy McCormack, National Treasurer for
Pionairs was the rep. at that time and came up with an idea. It seemed
that     a local golf club was expanding its facilities but were short of
money, so      they agreed to have 200 or so of their members act as
passengers for the
photographs in exchange for a donation towards their future plans.
(Olie did not say if the 'passengers' got Aeroplan points for that!- eds)
Olie informed us that -
attempts are being made to form two more districts of Pionairs,
one in Newfoundland and another at Sydney/Grace Bay.
The decision to hold the 1999 AGM in Vancouver was, originally, due to
the most favourable costs after an indepth review of the offers from
Anaheim. With the unfavourable exchange rate now prevailing it would
appear that the decision was the correct one. The accommodation cost
for Vancouver is ca$127.00 per night and is good 3 days ahead and 3
days       after the AGM to allow for those who wish to stay longer.
The package for the 1999 AGM is due to be mailed mid January.
The company has agreed to print the new Travel Booklet, and this is
planned to be mailed to all retirees by early November. Updates will
be via the Horizons.
In closing, Bill Fisher reminded us that the Christmas Lunch will be at
the Dunsmuir Lodge on Thursday Dec 10th. Cost ca$20.00 pp.

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. Ron Munson sends us the latest skuttlebutt from the UK -
It is reported that 25% of BA gold cardholders prefer to fly with other
airlines though BA would not confirm press reports that it had lost GBP50m
in revenue because long-haul business passengers are switching to rival
airlines in search of a better service.

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. This from Norm Stoddart -
Recently you added another retiree to the list, Stu Muirhead,
(email This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.). Shortly after I contacted him to
renew our old friendship in YUL and, as we were planning a trip through
Penticton, arranged to get together at that time.
On Sept 13 he had a severe stroke and is now recovering slowly in
Penticton General Hospital. It was quite a shock when we arrived on the 27th
to meet him to find that he was in the hospital and not the restaurant for
dinner.
I pass this info on to any of his friends either in the valley or YUL.
Best regards   Norm Stoddart   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
(We hope that friends of Stu will send him some email - eds)

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. Found on the internet.
ALFRED HITCHCOCK, REVISITED:
Airline flights get delayed for any of a number of reasons, but this is
one takes the suet.
A small bird flew into the cockpit of a UAL plane last week as the crew
was completing preps prior to pushback on a Dulles-London run.
No flight of fancy, this, the bird managed to hide in the Boeing 777-200's
electrical panel.
It took 2 1/2 hours to de-bird the plane after which the airline decided
to change planes, apparently wanting to play it safe in case the little
fella had pecked on some important part. Let this be a lesson to all of
you would-be stowaways. Don't try to play it cheep.

WOULD YOU STOP BUGGING ME:
It's always something: screaming babies, hygienically challenged seatmates,
what gives? The passengers of one recent Delta ATL to SFO flight were
really and truly bugged.
Cockroaches, a "handful" of `em, were spotted by pax and crew near the
food service area. The pilot bugged out, refusing to fly the bird.
Flight 217 was delayed for three hours. Said a Delta spokesperson,
"We're obviously not going to accept anything less than a pest-free plane."

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. After reading the story of the Viscount structure from Bill Norberg,
Bill Sim sent this message to Bill Norberg, but feel sure he would want
to share it -
Hi Bill,
Maybe you could tell them the story, about how the insulation was applied
to the skin of the Viscount when we received them from England. I remember
it well, the adhesive was red in colour, I still believe that this was the
same substance the I used in The R.A.F. for anti-corrosive treatment on
metallic parts.
We called this material 663. In the R.A.F. I was a M.T.M.
Motor Transport Mechanic. While I was with 90 M.U. I was assigned to the
Anti-corrosive unit, I have forgotten the name of the town it was between
Preston and Blackpool,(just remembered the name it was Warton ), some very
good nights at The Blackpool Tower.
I remember well, that to inspect the aircraft skin from the inside of the
aircraft, we had to remove the fibre glass insulation. As the English would
say "we build them, you maintain them", anyway it was a tough job with lots
of solvents around. It's a wonder we didn't blow the aircraft apart, one
spark and the crew and the aircraft would have been gone. We were a happy
bunch singing and laughing enjoying the job. We did not know that we were
doped up from the solvents we were using, in those days we only smoked
cigarettes.
Bill, thanks for the memory. If my story is a little mixed up, we can blame
it on some of the fumes that maybe are still in my system from the old
Viscount days in Winnipeg. Maybe you would like to check out how the carpet
were stuck to the aircraft floor, before double-sided adhesive tape, of
course. This was all changed by the same guys, before the spar job.
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. Terry's travel tips.
Visit the Orient -
Bangkok 6 days/4 nights hotel accommodation from us$389 pp dbl
includes round trip space available Northwest.
Beijing 5 days/3 nights departs Thursdays from us$859 pp dbl
includes round trip space available Northwest,
hotel accommodations, transfers, 1/2 day tour Tiananmen
Square, forbidden City and full day tour Ming Tombs and
the Great Wall (includes lunch).
add option to Xian 3 days/2 nights includes tranfers, accommodation
full day tour of the terra Cotta Warriors. From us$379 pp dbl.
Call 1-800-422-3727 for more details.

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Call 1-800-665-3100!!! and mention Pionairs.

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. Smilie.

SHORT FINAL...
Y'know, we've got to get our kids out more. As evidenced by this tale -
After completing a flight lesson for the day, the guy asked the instructor
if he could give his 12-year-old son his first ride in an airplane.
The instructor being a genuine promoter of general aviation (and a good
friend), the youngster got his first ride in the left seat.
After landing, the instructor asked his young charge how he liked the ride,
to which he exclaimed, "Wow! Just like the flight simulator on my computer,
only the graphics are a whole lot better!"

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. That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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Tuesday October 6, 1998
**NEW** Mississauga, ON T2 Coffee Klatch for
retirees of airport sales- the Gold Griddle,
Airway Centre, 5559 Airport Rd, Mississauga,
free parking 11 AM Shiela Moscoe This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Calgary Pionairs Guided tour of Aero Space Museum
e-mail        This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.
Edmonton Pionairs Coffee & Chat - Smitty's Lounge,
Kingsway Garden Mall 10 am
Kelowna/Vernon Pionairs monthly 10am Coffee&Chat
at Muffin Break.
Montreal Pionairs wkly Bowling League - Valois
Arena 62 Donegani Pte C Mary Timmons 514626-3263.
Nanoose, Van Isle "Prestwick Close Golf Tourney" at
Fairwinds G&CC, Ralph Tisdall see above
Penticton monthly 10:am Coffee&Chat at Tim Hortons Cherry Lane
Shopping Mall
Wednesday October 7, 1998
Halifax monthly Lunch Armdale Yacht Club
Nanoose, Van Isle "Prestwick Close Golf Tourney" see above at
St Catherines Pionairs/and Retirees @10am Sweets &
Crepes Cafe on Ontario St at Lakeport.
Victoria Van Isle, Fall lunch at McMorrans Restaurant at
11:30am. Price $16.00 pp
Guest Speaker OLIE MOORE, Pionair President
Friday October 9, 1998
Ottawa, Pionair KoffeeKlatsches AT 10 AM
Weekly, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping

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. Need to know.

Effective Oct 1st until Sept 30th 1999 the US domestic tax applied to
our passes is 8% plus us$2.00 per leg
(and that's not the human kind of leg either! - eds)

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. B747's.
Further to the report in NetLetter nr 315 re the withdrawal of the
B747 aircraft, Dennis Brown sends us this -
A small side bar to your note on 304 being retired.
The aircraft is at the base at YUL and the wide body guys have painted
3 very large tears descending from the Captain's side window to a very
unhappy mouth just under the left side forward cabin windows.
The story is that the aircraft will be parted out. (chopped up).
Dennis Brown   This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

Air Canada will be selling off 747-133 (C-FTOE) this week. It is
scheduled to operate YYZ-FRA-YYZ Oct 3/4th, then be towed to the paint
hangar at YYZ tomorrow night to have titles and logo painted out. It
will then ferry to Montreal on October 5th for -400 seat conversion for
new customer. Rumour is that it will be going to Evergreen
International, but that is not confirmed at this point. The last
remaining 747-133 in service (C-FTOC) is expected to be withdrawn by
mid-October.
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. News from the districts -
From Don Hancock - Director Vancouver BC Pionairs -
Subject: AC YVR Pionairs Fall Luncheon September 23/98
It was considered a very successful and enjoyable event as 125 Pionairs
joined together in a Happy Hour/Meet and Greet session prior to a the
luncheon.
Ollie & Mary Moore, our National President and Secretary were unable to
attend for obvious reasons, however their greetings and good wishes were
extended via email and the chair.
Our special guests were Pat Crothers, DSM Holland America Cruise Line and
Westours Inc., and husband Mel, (Signature Vacations).
Pat's address was extremely interesting, as well as the video featuring
Holland America Cruising and the building and transiting of the Panama Canal.
Following the address many prizes were awarded the lucky ticket holders and
the meeting concluded at 1415.
A special questionaire was distributed to all attendees asking for members
input relative to future YVR Pionair activities and programs for 1998 and
1999.
All members have been apprised of the Canada Pionair AGM scheduled for
April 26/27/28/1999.
The YVR Pionair Spring Luncheon Date is Sunday April 28, 1999 at the
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From the Ottawa district -
Maria and Helmut Hemmerich sends this update -
Dream Takes Flight Sept 30th:
68 children and 22 companions and 2 doctors left for Florida early, early on
Wednesday morning and returned at mid-night the same day.
The plane used was a A319, flying time 2hrs. 45 min.
The expenses, for the flight, were around $17,000.
The Pionairs involvement was nil for this flight, however there is always
next year.
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. Help!
Klaus Stahl looking for some help -
We are planning to travel to Australia/New Zealand in November 1998.
Can anyone give us advice on the best (least expensive, most direct) flights
from North American to Auckland or Sydney, and on air travel within
Australia itself? Right now we are under the impression that for flights
WITHIN Australia retired employees get no discount at all. Even the
Boomerang fares, i.e. discount fares available to everyone, appear expensive
compared to the discounts we usually enjoy. - We are aware of Air New
Zealand's discount, but they do not fly within Australia.
If someone has been to Australia/New Zealand within the past 12 months,
any other travel hints re hotel discounts etc. would also be appreciated.
"Klaus Stahl" email: This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Mitch Mitchell sends this information -
Subject: Swissair 111
Thought some of you readers might be interested in this Net site on
Swissair 111 crash, it is a local developed site, the URL is:
http://www.aaaac.org/

Subject: Pier 21 Halifax
Had a call from Cathy McCann (ex Customer Service Agent) who arrived in
Canada through Pier 21, she thought that there might be others in the
Pionairs who also arrived in Canada via Pier 21 that would be interested in
the Web site, this would also include any veteran, War Bride who might have
passed throught Pier 21 in Halifax. The URL is:
http://www.ednet.ns.ca/educ/heritage/pier21/
All the best. Mitch This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it.

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. Our eagle-eyed Chief Pilot of the NetLetter found these items -
JETSON-LIKE COMMUNICATIONS AIRCRAFT
A new aircraft called High Altitude Long Operation-Proteus is designed
to circle for hours some 50,000 feet high over major cities, functioning
like a communications relay satellite does in space and carrying
broadband wireless services, including high-speed Internet access and
video- teleconferencing. A region might receive 24-hour service from a
fleet of three planes, each flown by two-man crews on eight-hour shifts,
with each aircraft flying fixed patterns providing coverage to an area
75 miles in diameter. Industry analyst Jeffrey Kagan says, "I knew it
wouldn't be too long before the Jetsons became reality. In the next
several years, you will see truckloads of methods for delivering high
speed methods of data to homes and offices." (San Jose Mercury
News 23 Sep 98)

FREE INTERNET SERVICE IN THE U.K.
British consumer electronics retailer Dixons Group and
telecommunications firm Energis are teaming up to provide a free
Internet service to citizens in the U.K. Users will not be required to
pay any registration or usage fees, but will be charged $1.68 a minute
for technical support. The move is expected to force other Internet
service providers in that country to reevaluate their pricing
structures.    (Wall Street Journal 23 Sep 98)

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. Time for another story from Bill Norberg -
Subject: The L-1011 and ground spoilers.
The tragic loss of the DC-8 in YYZ in 1970 due to inadvertant deployment of
ground spoilers in flight was to have repercussions when it was time for
the MOT to provide type certification for the L-1011 in Canada. The MOT was
very concerned about what had happened to the DC-8 and were determined to
use the power of their office to bring about whatever was necessary to
prevent future such incidents. We had a number of meetings with our
technical specialists and theirs to discuss what could or should be
done. The matter as we saw it was one of adherence to established and
approved procedures rather than an interlock or mechanical method to
prevent such deployment.

One could take their thinking to such actions as fuel shut-off valves or
even shutting down engines in flight. Those actions are often necessary but
no one would intentionally use them in an inappropriate manner. In any
event their concern was raised when they learned that the use of ground
spoilers in flight was a fundamental part of the auto approach system of
the L-1011. It was called "Direct Lift Control" or DLC and was a method by
which the aircraft in an auto approach configuration was maintained on the
correct glide slope.

Normally this action was carried out by the autopilot where any deviation
from the proper glide slope sent a signal to the autopilot elevator servo
to apply a corrective action and restore the aircraft to the correct
position. This tended to make an aircraft "porpoise" or hunt somewhat about
the proper glide slope angle. In the DLC system the ground spoilers were
deployed to a 10 degree angle before engaging the auto approach system. Any
deviation from the proper glide slope now fed a signal to the ground
spoiler actuator and either increased or decreased the ground spoiler
angle. As the ground spoiler angle increased the wing lost some lift...as
it decreased it increased wing lift. This had the effect of moving the
aircraft vertically up or down rather than in a cyclic hunting fashion.
This tended to keep the aircraft tightly coupled to the glide slope with
minimum hunting action. It was a great system.

The MOT were not convinced and we had to take a number of their key people
to the Lockheed plant at Palmdale California for a test flight and
demonstrations by the Lockheed staff. We used the L-1011 aircraft being used
for certification tests by Lockheed. It was equipped with extensive
instrumentation as well as water tanks throughout the cabin to permit
testing at various C of G configurations. There were only seats at the front
of the aircraft for about 10 people. It also had an escape chute from the
cockpit area down through one of the lower cargo doors which could be
activated under emergency conditions. We were each assigned a parachute and
given instructions about how to exit.

It was a fascinating flight and the MOT staff were given an excellent
demonstration of the DLC system and its capabilities. Our problems were
over as far as certification were concerned. It was interesting to note that
during that flight the aircraft flew in excess of Mach .9 for the first
time as well.
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. Found on the internet.

SAS is to sign a marketing agreement with Singapore Airlines that
could pave the way for the Asian carrier to enter the Star Alliance.
However, Singapore Airlines had no immediate plan to enter Star.
The Asian carrier already has a similar agreement with Lufthansa,
one of the founding carriers of the Star Alliance

AIRCRAFT ORDERS
Venezuela's Aserca has disclosed plans to buy five MD-90s and two B737-800s.

Iberia of Spain (IB) has placed an order for six A340-300 aircraft
and took options for five more. The aircraft will replace ageing DC-10s.

German carrier Lufthansa (LH) has exercised options for six A319s.
The aircraft will join 20 A319s already in service with the airline.
Lufthansa has another 14 options left for the aircraft type.

Australia's National Jet Systems (NC) has purchased two ERJ-145s from
Embraer and took options for two more.

Dutch Leasing company Debis AirFinance is to order two A319 aircraft.

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. Terry's travel tips.

US airlines are now required to ask international passengers for the
name and telephone number of a next-of-kin whom to contact in
case of necessity. Passengers do not have to provide the
information but the airlines will have to have a system in place to
collect the information. The obligation stems from the difficulty
TWA had in locating relatives of some of Flight 800's victims.

Carnival Cruise Line - 1 week Special

- from $755 US pp/dbl
- 7 nights in the Caribbean on the Carnival Inspiration
- Air from Vancouver, BC - All Gratuities
November 1,8,15,22,29, 1998
San Juan, St. Thomas, Guadeloupe, St. Lucia, Grenada,
Santo Domingo, San Juan
Interliners, Parents Welcome, Friends Welcome!
All Rates pp/dbl, subject to availability, new bookings only.
Port Charges/Gov't fees additional
In a hurry? Call 1-800-690-3223 and mention Pionairs

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. That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.

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