Aviation Memorabilia Newsletter

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Your crew is: Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson
Co-pilot     - Terry Baker

number 217     date Nov 30th 1997
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. MAIL STRIKE -

With the approach of the festive season, many Pionair Districts
will be making final arrangements for the planned Christmas
lunches and dinners.
As some of the reservations should be accompanied by a cheque, this
has become impossible to do, therefore we are sure that the various
District Directors would appreciate receiving your phone call if
you intend to be present at your local 'do'. In all probability
you will be allowed to 'pay at the door', but the Directors do want
to know 'numbers' - so PLEASE phone your local Pionair District
Director if you are going to attend any function in the near
future.  All they are asking is that you call on the telephone
and make a firm commitment, repeat, A FIRM COMMITMENT, to pay at the
door.

For example Bill Fisher of the Vancouver Island Pionair District
will be happy to accept the names over the phone. All he is asking
for is that you call him or Sally on the telephone and make a firm
commitment, repeat, A FIRM COMMITMENT, to pay at the door.
The price is $25.00 each. 'We have to tell the people at Dunsmuir
on the 5 December the numbers that will be coming.'
Bill and Sally are at (250)656-7936.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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.                Vancouver Island                 .
.              BEAUTIFUL B.C. CANADA              .
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Your crew is: Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson
Co-pilot     - Terry Baker

number 216     date Nov 30th 1997
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. WHAT'S ON AND WHERE FOR DECEMBER AND CHRISTMAS EVENTS 1997.

Monday  December 1, 1997
***PARIS,FRANCE 60TH ANNIVERSARY PARTY***
Hosting a Kart Race & buffet
??? TBA Halifax CHRISTMAS Party at Armdale Yacht Club
Halifax Bowling 1pm Bayers Road Bowlorama 
London, UK, coffee at 11am Harvester Pub Ashford Middlesex
Okanagan CHRISTMAS Lunch, Ramada Lodge, Kelowna nl 188.....
UK ACRA CHRISTMAS Dinner & Dance nl 167           

Tuesdy  December 2, 1997
Kelwna/Vernon 10am Coffee&Chat at Muffin Break.                 
Penicton 10:am Coffee&Chat at Tim Hortons Cherry Lane Shopping
Mall
Prestwick, Lunch at St  Nicholas Hotel

Wenesday  December 3, 1997
Halifax Lunch Armdale Yacht Club                    
Montreal Pionairs CHRISTMAS dinner, Olympia Reception Hall, Casa
Grecque, Dollard des Ormeaux nl204
Ottawa CHRISTMAS Luncheon The Mill Restaurant,555 Ottawa
Parkway,1130 am $15pp, info 820-0042

Thursday  December 4, 1997
Montreal, Lunch at Chenoy's Pte Claire

Friday  December 5, 1997
Ottawa, KoffeeKlatsches, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping

Sunday  December 7, 1997
***London, England, UK Pionairs CHRISTMAS lunch,Four Pillars

Wednesday  December 10, 1997
Victoria CHRISTMAS Lunch at Dunsmuir Lodge,1515 McTavish Rd, Sidney
Alexandria AC Retirees Lunch Grp,for info Clive 613-525-4819
or Cam 224-6469

Thursday  December 11, 1997
Vancouver Air Canada & ACRA Xmas Dance Sheraton Wall Center Garden
Hotel,Vancouver 6:30pm nl210 

Friday  December 12, 1997
Ottawa, KoffeeKlatsches, Family Restaurant,Carlingwood Shopping  

Sunday  December 14, 1997
Ottawa, Brunches, PlaceNextDoor 320 Rideau St. info 841-7091
Toronto CHRISTMAS lunch Wyndham Bristol Place Hotel, nl 213
Vancouver Breakfast with Santa Richmond Inn Richmond 10:30am nl210 

Monday  December 15, 1997
***GLASGOW AIR CANADAS 60TH ANNIVERSARY PARTY***
Dinner at Brig-A-Doon Hotel, Ayr

Wednesday  December 17, 1997
Burlington & Oakville Grp, Coffee at Pig & Whistle, Burlock Dr &
Lakeshore Rd 11am, lunch may be preordered a week in advance
847-1421         

Friday  December 19, 1997
Ottawa, KoffeeKlatsches, Family Restaurant, Carlingwood Shopping

Thursday  December 25, 1997
M E R R Y      C H R I S T M A S      E V E R Y O N E   

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. Since our welcome to Robert Cleroux from Zephyr Hills, Florida
in NetLetter nr 210, we have been unable to make contact on
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. Real Henri, Past Director of the Montreal District of Pionairs
had the following in the Fall edition of the
'Sentinel', the Montreal Newsletter -( although
winter approaches - spring is sure to follow, so we
reprint it - eds)

300 km of beaches - by Real Henri

If you love the sea, breathtaking landscape, sea food, and if, on
top of that, you are of Acadian origin, you must visit les
Iles-de-la-Madeleine. But, before leaving, I strongly recommend
that you obtain the 'Guide touristique des Iles-de-la-Madeleine',
published by the 'Ministere du Tourisme'. This guide will acquaint
you with this archipelago and its rustic islands surrounded with
cliffs and beaches as well as help you better prepare for this
beautiful trip.
The high season is from June to mid-August, and the best period is
probably between mid-July to mid-August. If you are an animal lover     you
might consider going in March to watch the birth of the
beautiful white seal pups on the ice.
In planning for this trip, you would be well advised to reserve
your hotel and lease your car ahead of departure. I would like to
recommend 'L'Auberge de Village', owned by Mr and Mrs Cormier and
located in Cap-aux-Meules (Tel: (418)986-3312, Fax (418)986-3928.
As soon as you arrive at destination, it would also be preferable
to reserve your place for the most popular events like theatre, sea
excursions and the best restaurants.
Following the construction of Confederation Bridge to P.E.I., we
can expect an increasing number of campers, trailers and other
kinds of recreational vehicles on the ferry boat between Souris,
P.E.I. and Les Iles-de-la-Madeleine. These new travellers will no
doubt tend to invade the 300 km of natural beaches and we can
predict that the fragile environment of the dunes will rapidly
suffer from this unusual traffic.
Local authorities will have to iron out this prblem ASAP.
So, if you don't know what Madeleine Island's hospitality is all
about, you must go to Iles-de-la-Madeleine next summer.
Don't forget, in  the Islands, your Looney is always worth one
Dollar!

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. Found on the Internet.

COMING ATTRACTION? NEW A340S LAUNCHED
These babies were due.  Airbus recently launched the A340-500 and
-600 with orders from three airlines, all for -600 versions:
EVA ordered six; Air Canada ordered five; and Virgin Atlantic
signed for 16.

LONDON-SYDNEY AIR RACE FOR AUSSIE CENTENNIAL IN 2001:
Aussie organizers are planning an old-fashioned, $500,000-purse
air race in concert with a year-long celebration of Australia's
founding.
If you have to ask the cost of entry, you can't afford it.

AN-70 PLANNED BY RUSSIA AND PARTNERS:
Russia, together with Ukraine, Germany and France, plans to build
a new "world's largest" airplane to succeed the An-224.

British Airways goes smokeless worldwide starting March 29.

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. INTERLINE STUFF.

The Air Canada schedule effective Nov 12th effective until
Oct 24th 1998 can be downloaded from the Air Canada web site.

Visiting London, England?
London Heathrow Airport is 15 miles west of the city.
Buses A1 and A2 depart from Central Site every 30 mins for the
60 minute trip to Central London. Cost GBP6.00
Underground train on the Piccadilly line takes 30/40 mins
Cost: GBP3.20
London Gatwick Airport is located 28 miles south of the city.
Gatwick Express train departs every 15 mins and takes 30 mins
to Victoria Station. Cost: GBP8.90
Flightline 777 buses depart frequently to Victoria Station taking
70 minutes and costing GBP7.50.

A Visitor Travelcard can be purchased for 3, 4 or 7 day periods
cost US$25-35 and allows unlimited travel on most buses and
underground (tube) travel within London. This Travelcard MUST
be purchased prior to arrival in the UK from your local Travel
Agent or BritRail.

In London daily family passes with a photo ID for unlimited
travel costing GBP15.70 for a week or GBP60.30 for a month can be
purchased at most underground stations.

British Airways goes smokeless worldwide starting March 29.

BRAZIL UPS ITS ANTE:
Forget the cost of airfares.  Instead, make sure you have a few
bucks left, if you're trying to get out of Brazil.  The country
recently changed its international passenger departure tax rate:
travelers now must ante up US$90 to leave the country instead of
the previous US$18 levy.

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. Smilie.

A 70 year old very experienced flight instructor had to go to a
"New" FAA medical examiner since he had outlived the previous AME.
Try as he would the "rookie" AME could find no medical faults with
the wise old silver haired flight instructor..except for a
slightly red eye.
Inquiring into  this problem the AME asked how long the eye had
been red, and did it hurt, etc.
"It has been red for 2 weeks, but much better now, and it never
hurts    when I fly."
"I understand, but have you ever had a purulent (pus) discharge"?
"Not me Doc, I'm flat footed and was always 4-F."

~-=o0o=-~

.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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.              BEAUTIFUL B.C. CANADA              .
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Your crew is: Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson
Co-pilot     - Terry Baker

number 215     date Nov 28th 1997       
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. Bob Robbins sends us this reminder -

TRAVEL PRIVILEGE TIPS FOR RETIREE'S OR SURVIVING SPOUSES

"Don's document, in Between Yourselves - NetLetter nr 214 is how
the project team PROPOSES to proceed.
Terry and Vesta are publishing it to support our efforts to help
retiree travellers like yourselves.
WE NEED YOUR FEEDBACK.
Please, turn back to NetLetter nr 214; reread the short section
"CONCLUSION" and its three questions; and send in your responses.

Please send any comments directly to:
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Please keep in mind that this project aims to help retirees to
understand and more easily use our travel benefits. We cannot get
into trying to change policies, procedures or practices;  however,
the Industry Travel group welcomes hearing from you."

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. John Davidson, who we welcomed in NetLetter nr 211 sends us this
response -
Greetings from Hudson-Heights, Quebec. Quite a few Pionairs
still to be found around here especially on the golf course
during the summer.
Although Sharon has two brothers in the Vancouver area and I
have a son living in Victoria we have so far resisted the urge
to join you out west. There are 11 grandchildren within an hours
drive from here which holds us to this area, at least, for the
time being.
Thank you very much for copies of Between Yourselves.
I recognize quite a few of the names.

. Douglas Maclaren whom we welcomed in NetLetter nr 211 sends us
his bio -

To start off with, just in case you have some readers who are
not sure whether they recognise who I am, I usually spell my
name Doug Maclaren.
Secondly, although there are some who will swear that when I
was winding down to retirement, just because I spent the last
few years in the tool crib doing steady day shift, although some
of them may say that I was retired, I really didn't retire until
Dec.1st, 1987, not 1984. At the time of retirement, I was still
living in the house that I had been born in, in Georgetown, ON.
Then my wife and I moved to a fairly new house just north of
Belleville, ON. in May of '88. As of Jan. 1st, 1998 we will
become part of Belleville. Moving here brought us much closer
to our cottage, which is now just about an hours + drive on
mostly paved country roads.
My career began by going to school in Toronto at Ryerson,
where I graduated with a diploma in Electronics in 1953.
I first was interviewed in the Avionics shop in YZ in '53, but
decided at that time to pursue other electronics vocations.
I returned in Oct. '60, after a short stint in the RCAF and I
decided at that time to pursue aviation electronics. (avionics)
Working around aircraft kind of gets in your blood after a
time. So I spent 27 yrs. and a month in the 'Radio Shop' in
Toronto, when I took early retirement.
Using hindsight, taking early retirement was the best thing
that I could have done. My wife and I were able to enjoy almost
five years of happy times before she passed on. And the best part
is that she was enjoying herself travelling at the time when she
passed away, in Melbourne Australia. Australia was a place that
she said she had always wanted to see. I only hope that I can be
as fortunate when my time is up.
Since retiring, I have bought this computer, and I use it to
write letters with, check out what's happening in the sky, with
the astronomical software, and I use it to draw plans for
various projects, I have built around the house etc. I also have
software that changes scanned sheet music into MIDI files that
play my electronic piano. I also have ADOBE Photoshop and
Illustrator so that I am able to scan the pictures I take, and
doctor them up to look more like artwork etc.
So for me at least, retirement will never become a bore.
I hope what I have written here gives you something of who
I am, where I've been and/or where I'm going.

~-=o0o=-~

. Found on the Internet.

YEAR 2000 (Y2K) -
The year 2000 will present computer problems unless changes are
made to software ahead of time. We have suggested several excuses
which can be used, but here are two more -
It is reported that Air Canada are meeting the problem by simply
getting rid of older computers!
(Oh if it were only that simple - eds)
It is rumoured that Lufthansa isn't flying anywhere in the world
on New Year's Day 2000, just in case an airport somewhere in the
world didn't do its work and doesn't have its automatic
air traffic control systems and navigational beacons on.

NEW AIRLINE
British Airways plan to launch a low-cost carrier of its own to
serve European destinations. The new airline, based at Stanstead
Airport, north of London, England, will initially fly to cities in
Spain, Italy, France, Germany and Scandinavia beginning early
next year. In an effort to fend off complaints from competition
authorities, the new airline will operate as a separate business
from the parent company, with its own name, management and staff.

AIRCRAFT SALES
Bombardier has sold 10 business jets to TAG Group SA, a
diversified and privately held company in Switzerland.

CONCORDE STILL YOUNG
Although the Concorde has been flying for more than 20 years,
British Airways says it can operate for another 20 years. This
is because the 100-seat aircraft is actually only 4 years old
in 'airplane' years. Each of its fleet of 7 Concordes only fly
3 hours dails, compared with 7 hours for the B757 and 13 hours
for the B747; the plane does not collect corrosive moisture,
as do subsonic aircraft, because of the intense heat generated
in flight.

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INTERLINE STUFF.

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Call Toll Free at: 1-800-665-3100 and mention Pionairs.

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. Smilie.
At a recent software engineering management course in the U.S.,
the participants were given an awkward question to answer.
"If you had just boarded an airliner and discovered that your team
of programmers had been responsible for the flight control software,
how many of you would disembark immediately?"
Among the ensuing forest of raised hands, only one man sat motionless.
When asked what he would do, he replied that he would be quite
content to stay onboard.  With his team's software, he said, the
plane was unlikely to even taxi as far as the runway, let alone take
off.

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.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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.              BEAUTIFUL B.C. CANADA              .
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Your crew is: Chief Pilot  - Vesta Stevenson
Co-pilot     - Terry Baker

number 214      date NOV 25th 1997
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************** SPECIAL  EDITION  **************
AT THE REQUEST OF THE PIONAIRS EXECUTIVE.

The following from Don Demeza:

TRAVEL PRIVILEGE TIPS FOR RETIREE'S OR SURVIVING SPOUSES

INTRODUCTION

During a panel at the 1997 Annual General Meeting in Montreal it
became obvious that retirees would appreciate receiving a document to
help them to understand and follow the rules concerning their travel
privileges.  Several retirees volunteered to put such a document
together with the assistance of Irene Vazalinskas, Manager, Industry
Travel.

The following Pionairs volunteered to help: Bob Robbins (Co-ordinator)
Don Demeza,  Al Croome (London), Ron Vigars (Westport Conn.)
and Stephanie Mandzie (Winnipeg).
Terry Baker and Vesta Stevenson volunteered the use of their
"Between Yourselves - NetLetter" mailing list.

The document was referred to as a manual which would bring all the
privileges together under one cover;  however, as the volunteers (for
now, read "this volunteer") began to work on the task it seemed, on
reflection that a manual would not only have update problems but the
production was initially beyond the resources of a volunteer effort.
On review we found that all of the rules and regulations have appeared
in Horizons and that Horizons should remain the prime method of
keeping us all up to date. We have decided to begin by concentrating
on, "The Completion and Use of the Trip Pass Ticket"  (T421)
and to test what we are doing with the 200 or so retirees who can be
contacted through the 'Between Yourselves - NetLetter'.

The problems being experienced by retirees seem to stem from the
difficulty in applying the regulation rules on a practical basis to
each individual travel situation.  With this in mind the retiree
volunteers have, as a first step, assembled previously distributed
information and have added TIPS, KEY POINTS and EXAMPLES to assist
retirees to apply the rules. .

TIP - A retiree is advised to maintain a file containing travel
updates clipped from Horizons.  Be sure to put the Horizon
issue date on each clipping.

Our Evolving Manual begins with the following Chapters:

CHAPTER 1    SERVICE CHARGES FOR PERSONAL TRAVEL

1.1   Zone chart printed in Horizons.

CHAPTER 2    TAXES AND FEES ON SERVICE CHARGE PASSES

2.1   As published in Horizons June/97 with additional
information in Horizons October/97.

CHAPTER 3     YOUR PERSONAL TRIP PASS TICKET

3.1   How to fill out your Trip Pass Ticket (as given to new
employees Sept/97 and previously included in Horizons).

3.2   Tips Concerning the use of your Trip Pass Ticket.

Many retirees remember earlier days - before zonal service charges
and before the application of customs charges and taxes.  Those days
are gone.  Today, the identification and collection of charges have
made it imperative that retirees fill in their forms correctly.  The
accounting people frequently have a difficult task in attempting to
determine from the trip pass exactly what the itinerary was and
therefore how to apply the correct charges.  We must understand the
problem and use our personal trip passes in a way which will clearly
inform Accounting concerning the travel to be charged.  Remember also
that there are thousands of Customer Service Agents with various
levels of experience and they may or may not understand how to use the
Trip Pass Ticket coupons when the actual routing is complex.


KEY POINT -  Each Trip Pass Ticket has a serial number and one Trip
Pass Ticket only should be used for each trip.
If you use more than a single Trip Pass Ticket for a
single trip then you will be charged service charges
for each trip pass used and no credits will be issued.

KEY POINT -  Each Trip Pass Ticket contains an "Auditors Coupon", four
'Flight Coupons" and a "Passenger Coupon". The Auditor's
Coupon will be lifted with the first Flight Coupon and
alerts Accounting as to the intended travel and the
charges to be made.
Make sure that you complete the entire Trip Pass Ticket
on the Auditor's coupon, pressing hard enough to register
your details on every coupon.

KEY POINT -  The Flight Coupons should show the final trip destination
corresponding to the furthest zone checked (1,2, or 3)
even though you may not initially be flying to that
destination (note examples for clarification).
Flight legs not used will be marked "VOID" on the Audit
coupon.
Voided coupons will be lifted on the LAST FLIGHT LEG, by
the Customer Services Agent.
If additional flight legs are needed within the planned
itinerary  -  DO NOT USE ANOTHER TRIP PASS TICKET but ask
the airport Customer Service Agent for a "Stopover Coupon"
which you will fill in, ensuring that it carries the same
serial number as on the associated Trip Pass Ticket.

KEY POINT -  There will be occasional instances when a Trip Pass Ticket,
although completed correctly, does not provide sufficient
detail for Accounting.
Here's an example:
A Trip Pass Ticket showed
MONTREAL/VANCOUVER/SEATTLE/VANCOUVER/MONTREAL.
Surface transpsortation was used for the
Vancouver/Seattle leg (it was an Alaska cruise).
Fortunately the retiree involved had retained travel
records for the trip and was given a refund of the U.S.
taxes which had been deducted from his cheque for the
Vancouver/Seattle flight leg.

TIP  -  The "Passenger Coupon" is your record to retain.
We strongly suggest you keep the "Passenger Coupon" for
reference until you are satisfied that all applicable charges
have correctly appeared as deductions on your pension cheque.
It is also suggested that boarding passes and records of other
transportation used be similarily retained so that a retiree
has a complete record of travel on a per trip basis.

The following instructions are currently included as part of each
Trip Pass Ticket.  We will repeat them here along with our
comments..

TIP  -  Do not assume your knowledge is current.  The instructions
included with the Trip Pass Ticket will change, based on rules
or to assist in correcting misunderstandings.  Please read the
instructions anew whenever you are about to fill in a pass form.

1.  IMPRINT  (see pass for wording)

KEY POINT -  The card imprint date should be within the same year as
travel is initiated; - obtain newly imprinted Trip Pass
Tickets each year and destroy those not used from the
previous year.

2.  CARDHOLDERS SIGNATURE

3.  NAME OF PASSENGER

4.  SERVICE (see Trip Pass Ticket for wording)

KEY POINT -  If your personal travel card shows length of service as
35 years, 06 months, 15 days - that's exactly what you
enter in the service section of the Trip Pass Ticket
(35/06/15).  It's not a date, but the computer will do the
calculations and place you in the correct order on the
standby list.  This section of the Trip Pass Ticket is
headed "Service" and for retirees this means,
"Length of Service"

5.  PRIORITY  (from your travel card)

6  EMPLOYEE NUMBER   

7.  PASSENGER'S SIGNATURE

8.  FOR TRAVEL ONE WAY OR RETURN - Complete your routing FROM/TO
your destination.  Unused flight coupons should be VOIDED.

NOTE -  A voided coupon cannot appear in the middle of an itinerary.

EXAMPLE 1:

For travel MONTREAL/TORONTO/MONTREAL, flight coupons 3 and 4 are voided
The audit coupons read:
` MONTREAL
TORONTO
MONTREAL
VOID
VOID
EXAMPLE 2:
For travel VANCOUVER/TORONTO/HALIFAX/ TORONTO/VANCOUVER
all flight coupons are used.
Should a stopover coupon (ACF 21A) be required,
e.g. Toronto/Montreal, this can be obtained from the
Airport Customer Sales and Service Agent upon presentation
of your valid Trip Pass Ticket..(ENSURE YOU ADD THE
ASSOCIATED TRIP PASS TICKET NUMBER TO THE STOPOVER COUPON

FLIGHT COUPONS CANNOT BE USED OUT OF SEQUENCE AND ANY COUPONS THAT ARE
NOT REQUIRED SHOULD BE VOIDED.

NOTE  -  Suppose the traller of Example 2 decided to continue the
above trip from Halifax to St. John's.  This decision should
have been made before using the Trip Pass Ticket.
An addition now will make the travel to St. John's a side
trip.  An additnal Trip Pass Ticket is required and it will
attract service charges as a separate trip.

KEY POINT -  City names should be clearly printed, in full, without
any ambiguity.  For example "London" is not sufficient -
it must be  "London, Ont. or London, Eng."

9.   ZONE - Indicate the correct zone by consulting your zone chart.

NOTE  -  Ensure that you include the furthest city to which you intend
to travel and the furthest zone.  You will then be free to
use various flight legs to and from this furthest point either
by the use of stopover coupons or by using coupons to and from
cities other than what is shown on the coupon.
Please note the examples to see just how this applies.

11.   RELATIONSHIP   (self explanatory)

12.   CHECK-IN

KEY POINT - Only a Customer Sales and Service Agent may detach flight
coupons from the Trip Pass Ticket.

Each retiree should review again the instructions included with the
Trip Passs Ticket and the detailed instructions concerning the filling in of
the form.  The following examples should assist retirees to both
understand the problem and to ensure that the Trip Pass Ticket will convey
the correct travel information to Accounting.

EXAMPLE A:
- A traveller is taking a trip from Toronto to Los Angeles and
then by boat through the Panama Canal to Fort Lauderdale,
returning by air from Miami to Toronto.  How should the Trip
Pass Ticket be completed?

Los Angeles is the furthest zonal point to be charged therefore the
trip pass will read TORONTO/LOS ANGELES/TORONTO and coupons 3 and 4
will be marked VOID. Zone 2 will be checked and the LOS
ANGELES/TORONTO flight coupon will be used from MIAMI to TORONTO.

EXAMPLE B:
- A traveller is going in the reverse direction in order to take
the Panama Canal cruise from Fort Lauderdale to Los Angeles.
Because Los Angeles is the furthest zone to be travelled then
the Trip Pass Ticket will again be completed
TORONTO/LOS ANGELES//TORONTO.
On the outgoing trip the TORONTO/LOS ANGELES coupon will be
used to travel to Miami or Fort Lauderdale.

he above examples begin to illustrate the problem of using a single
Trip Pass Ticket for each trip.  Remember the principle:  each Trip Pass
Ticket will attract a service charge.  The Trip Pass Ticket must show the
final trip destination corresponding to the zone checked.
Stopover coupons, referenced to the Trip Pass Ticket number, will be used to
handle additional or unplanned flight legs.  The individual flight coupon
need not be specifically for the leg involved as long as it is part of the
overall itinerary for charging purposes.

EXAMPLE C:

A traveller with a Trip Pass Ticket showing MONTREAL/ LONDON, Eng/
MONTREAL - coupons 3 and 4 have been marked VOID.  The traveller
cannot find return space to Montreal so takes a flight to Halifax.
A stopover coupon will be issued for LONDON, Eng to HALIFAX and
the LONDON, Eng. to MONTREAL coupons will be used from Halifax to
Montreal.

TIP: - In Example C you can provide yourself with additional (just in  
case)
coupons by filling in the Trip Pass Ticket as follows:
MONTREAL
TORONTO
LONDON, ENG
TORONTO
MONTREAL
You would not now need a stopover coupon if you returned via Halifax.
The London, Eng/Toronto coupon will take you to Halifax and the
Toronto/Montreal coupon will be used Halifax to Montreal.

U.S. RETIREES USING CONTINENTAL AIRLINES

KEY POINT - Our Trip Pass Tickets can be used for travel on Continental
Airlines PROVIDED THE TRAVEL ON THAT TICKET IS CONFINED
TO CONTINENTAL ONLY.

Continental do not stock or handle our stopover coupons;  therefore
for a complicated itinerary it is better to have a normal revenue
ticket issued at the service charge fare. 

CHAPTER 4 - THE EMPLOYEE CALL CENTER

4.1  As published in Horizons July 1/97 by Sylvie Schmitt

ADDITIONAL: - When calling the Center please have questions, flights,
dates, numbers etc. ready before you make the call..
The agents want to give us friendly help but they do not
have time to engage in a general chat; other calls are
waiting. It seems that some retirees use the call to
catch up on airline news and/or pass on a bit of history
- all very human but not appropriate.
Others sometimes request a space check for an
unreasonable number of flight possibilities.

CONCLUSION  -  The above was put together by Don Demeza but it is
based on a very small sample of the problems which may
have been encountered.
Don and Bob would like some feedback before proceeding
further:

1.   Do the above explanatory notes and tips provide a better
understanding concerning the use of the trip pass?

2.   Do you have questions concerning Don's attempt to clarify?

3.   Can you describe any situations you have experienced which would
not have been helped by the notes provided here.

Please send any comments directly to:
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p.s.  -  Don is going on a Panama cruise and will be back around Dec
11th.
The next step will be to publish what we have learned to all
retirees with the notice for the 98 General Meeting.  The notice
goes out in January.


More from Don Demeza for the 'Between Yourselves - NetLetter' trial:

Today I was talking to Bert Gardiner in Kelowna on the ham bands.  He
is taking the Crown Princess cruise with us from Los Angeles to Fort
Lauderdale and is solving the same problems as I.  He tells me he
asked the telephone travel service how to make out his pass.  The
operator wasn't sure and said it may take two trip pass tickets - one
to go and one to return.  He called again a few days later and was
advised to make the trip pass ticket out to Miami and use a stopover coupon
from Calgary to Los Angeles.  That sounds okay to me as it's all
on one trip pass. I'm not sure the Calgary agent will be as familiar with
the issue as Miami so I have a different recommendation.  The problem is a
bit more complex than mine.

He is travelling from Kelowna to Calgary to Los Angeles then cruise to
Fort Lauderdale where he flies out of either Fort Lauderdale to
Montreal to Calgary to Kelowna or out of Miami via Toronto. Based on
this example I have tried to better establish a principle to follow:

First a comment:
remember - in the late 40's and early 50's when we used to request
each pass and it was made out and sent to us from the Pass Bureau.
Air Canada had just begun flights to Bermuda and the Carribean and
with one flight a week in a North Star pluses frequently had to return
on another carrier - It was understood, that either New York or Miami
would honor our return tickets from Bermuda or Barbados.

Well, in a way we have a similar situation again.
Air Canada operates to a host of U.S. cities and from various
Canadian points of entry.  We may travel around the U.S. on other
carriers or using other methods of transportation therefore the
individual pass coupon may or may not match the actual flight leg
being flown.

NOTE: - The prime purpose of the Trip Pass Ticket today, when on a
complex routing, is to ensure collection of the correct zone
charges, taxes and fees so here are a couple of tips which
should help to solve an individual situation:

TIP: -  When all travel is by Air Canada or AC Regional Carriers, -
from your origination city ensure that the Trip Pass Ticket is
made out to the furthest city and to the furthest zone by as
direct a route as possible.
Stopover coupons will be used for additional legs within
the itinerary but not to extend the itinerary..

TIP:  When other forms of transportation (ground, water,
other airlines, etc.)  are being used between cities then the
going or return coupon will be honored at another city provided
that it is in the same fare zone and country.

Using the above tips lets get back  to Bert's trip.  Originating in
B.C., both Los Angeles and Florida are in zone 2 for zone charges and
they are both in the U.S. for customs and immigration charges.  It
seems to me that either Los Angeles or Miami could be shown as the
destination but I suggest that he use Los Angeles so that no possible
misunderstandings arise with agents who may not be familiar with
what can be done.  The Trip Pass Ticket will show:
KELOWNA
CALGARY
LOS ANGELES
CALGARY
KELOWNA
Coupon 1 will be used Kelowna to Calgary
Coupon 2 will be used Calgary to Los Angeles
Coupon 3 will be used for travel from either Miami or Fort Lauderdale,
to Toronto or  Montreal. A STOPOVER COUPON will be used from the
Canadian entry point to Calgary. Coupon 4 will be used Calgary to
Kelowna.

It's a good example and I believe that I have correctly interpreted
the process

end of example.

I'm beginning to think that we need a number of retirees who will work
at this and help others when they are concerned.  The information we
are collecting should also be made known to the agents both on the
telephone and at airports.

I look at this 'NetLetter - Between Yourselves' example as simply my
personal attempt to share what I think I have learned.

~-=o0o=-~

.  That's it for this time, please we need your input, send
comments and email addresses of any others who may be
interested to Vesta with a copy to Terry.


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